Top 10 reasons women should dress modestly

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wynnejj said:
I’m intrigued about Portrait’s point about the power of the woman’s body on the sensibilities of the man, especially King David. Here you have a man who was willing to battle Goliath with a little slingshot because someone disrespected the name of the one true God. He went into battle, not tempting God with the expectation that God would save him for the honor of God’s own name, but rather expecting to die that day for the honor of God.

Yet this same man succumbed to his own natural instincts to keep his eyes fixed on a beautiful body and become fixated on mating with her. So deep was his shame of the power of woman over him, that he first sought to give Uriah a “paid vacation” to be with his wife and supposedly have relations to hide the fact that Bathsheba was giving birth to his child. When that didn’t work, he sent Uriah to the front lines of war to be killed in battle, so that he could marry her properly.

What made this man devoted to God succumb to the shape and beauty of a woman? I say, natural instinct, biological imperative that is difficult for even the most principled man to overcome.

What is truly interesting is how the Bible still hails this person / pervert? in such widespread high praises? Such is the worth of a man with such a problem and true contrition!

Whereas I agree that this natural instinct varies in degree from one male to the next, I humbly submit that it is there in such a large number of males and is truly a strongly intrinsic biological natural instinct to become fixated on the natural beauty and shape of a woman.
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Wow, is this for real or is it supposed to be some kind of joke??

You know what this looks like? This looks like a GREAT story to tell the wife of a man who cheats on her:

“It was his biology, it’s his natural instincts, he couldn’t help it, women have powerful hold over men … King David lusted too, and he was a good man…”

Please.
 
Debora123 said:
I know God has no problem with it, bc I know that I am doing nothing wrong. I don’t pray before I put my clothes on every morning bc I don’t own immodest clothes and bc I don’t see myself as an occasion of sin walking around. I see myself as a human person. I have respect for myself and for others and I dress according to our cultures norms, wihtout any sort of ill intention towards anyone else. By the way, I asked Edward if HE prayed every morning before he got dressed and he didn’t answer me. Double standard again?

And you’re right, no one knows what we will face, much less what OTHERS will face. So maybe some people here need to stop condemning something that isn’t even against the Catholic belief.
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I don’t have any idea what I will face or OTHERS. But I pray the Chaplet for Divine Mercy so that they dying will face a merciful God. The St Gertrude prayer daily to release holy souls in purgatory. I fast for the conversion of sinners. I personally hope that there is no one in hell. I am not telling you personally to change the way you dress. I am saying why I think that someone should dress more modestly. I am happy that we live in a free country and can dress anyway we want. I will however teach my daughter how to dress modestly and teach my boys to respect all women.

As you have stated often, it is our opinion that a bikini is not modest. It is also your opinion that God is not offended by the way women are dressing. You do not know that he is not offended, anymore than I know he is.

I’m done.
 
cviolette said:
Your appearance and actions are not uncharitable. They do not lead to temptation or sin. That is the big difference.
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I’m afraid that isn’t a difference ma’am. I knew a lot of people who couldn’t stand those that just ‘appeared’ smarter than them.One time it reached a point about whether or not I should stop carrying around a back pack of books and try to squeeze money for a locker. (It didn’t work out.) My looks made them angry just like how an outfit makes another person lustful. It’s still the same problem of people seeing something as ‘unrighteous’ (be that unrighteous thing trigger wrath or lust).
 
Edward_H said:
If we love…it means we are pursuing something that is eternally serious and worthy…not some trite definition of love or dignity.
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I pursue people’s right to be free from pointless fashion criticisms and evaluations. That is something eternally serious, worthy, and it is based on the truest understanding of human dignity (as taught by the Church) which goes beyond the superficial exterior.
Edward_H said:
So when we dress, are we doing things for the eternal benefit of one another? Or, are we pursuing some lesser thing.
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How does something as empty and hollow as appearances benefit anyone lest they themselves are shallow and empty?
 
wynnejj said:
What made this man devoted to God succumb to the shape and beauty of a woman? I say, natural instinct, biological imperative that is difficult for even the most principled man to overcome.
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Explain to me then how my sex drive stops to a dead halt when I imagine the woman I’m looking at is capable of twisting my body into various lethal angles?
wynnejj said:
Whereas I agree that this natural instinct varies in degree from one male to the next, I humbly submit that it is there in such a large number of males and is truly a strongly intrinsic biological natural instinct to become fixated on the natural beauty and shape of a woman.
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Riiiight… and natural instinct is an excuse?
I have a natural instinct to maul and shout at anybody who makes my life even the slightest bit inconvenient. I go as far as to imagine myself sprouting spiked tentacles from my back and pinning people to a wall (ala Doctor Octopus style). Does that give me an excuse to do just any of that? Hardly.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
I’m afraid that isn’t a difference ma’am. I knew a lot of people who couldn’t stand those that just ‘appeared’ smarter than them.One time it reached a point about whether or not I should stop carrying around a back pack of books and try to squeeze money for a locker. (It didn’t work out.) My looks made them angry just like how an outfit makes another person lustful. It’s still the same problem of people seeing something as ‘unrighteous’ (be that unrighteous thing trigger wrath or lust).
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I don’t understand why people would be angry because you appear smarter or are smarter than them. I wonder if it is because we live in different countries that I am not getting it. If someone physical harm someone in our schools, the person would be suspended. If someone physical harmed someone on the streets, they would arrested and charged with assault. Now if it is bullying with words, unfortunately the bully tends to get away with it. I know mental abuse can be worse than physical abuse.
 
Debora123 said:
These were my questions:
  1. What specific choices in dress would YOU deem to be considerate of others?
  2. Can you please give me the Church’s standard as to what us Catholics are supposed to think is considerate of others when it comes to our clothes?
  3. In your standards, am I being inconsiderate in the way I dress according to what you see in my pictures?
You’ve answered none of them.
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Parson me, but I answered one of your posts above with questions directly. I’ll gladly answer these ones too.

I would consider choices of dress that show beauty but not sexual potential or assets. If I were a women I’d tease my husband to death in side the house and away from our children.

I told you twice that the Church’s standard is an adult standard, one that doesn’t specify inches or parts shown. Intention and common sense answer more questions than some rule book. The Church will never issue a rule book…and only fools find haven in such rules and especially in the lack of such rules. The Church’s way is to respect freedom but to expect deliberation…but not to be overly specifying.

I told you above, yes your pictures are fine…you’re a very beautiful woman…except perhaps the beach shot…which in your Rio culture is the norm. Fine. I think that view of you is for your husband only. Crucify me for saying so…I don’t care.

Have many babies with your husband, and fill the world with God’s beauty.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
I pursue people’s right to be free from pointless fashion criticisms and evaluations. That is something eternally serious, worthy, and it is based on the truest understanding of human dignity (as taught by the Church) which goes beyond the superficial exterior.

How does something as empty and hollow as appearances benefit anyone lest they themselves are shallow and empty?
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You don’t get it. We use beauty to draw attention to something deeper and even more beautiful…God.

A woman who is beautiful can draw many people to God. Were she to dress modestly, she retains a powerful biological attractive force for men and women.

I mentioned way above a woman I recently met who is strikingly beautiful in every dimension. But it’s not a shallow beauty…her beauty just goes deeper and deeper…she’s modest, not vain, she’s humble, she’s brilliant, she’s a wonderful conversationalist, she’s other oriented, she’s self-donating, she smiles, she is cheerful, she is very natural…

…but she’s not sexy.

Her ‘way’ attracts many people…mostly women (given her vocation as an Opus Dei numerary) and she draws many people into her circles of friendship, where, very naturally, she can help them see the reason for her cheer, and her way. Remarkable and self-less, and God-purposed beauty.

You guys just don’t get it.
 
Not just women, EVERYONE should dress properly and with respect at Mass.

The days of “putting on your Sunday best” seem to be gone. I understand that there is a more casual cultural norm these days and I don’t object to Mass attire reflecting this. However, I routinely see at least one person wearing a T shirt with a very inappropriate saying or picture on it. Sometimes it’s children, and I have to shake my head and wonder why a parent would dress them that way.

We have to remember that we’re going to see our King. It’s a question of respect, and of common sense. And, it’s not just the ladies.
 
This thread is so long and I don’t know if anyone ever posted this video clip, but someone posted it on another forum. Really interesting.
 
cviolette said:
I don’t have any idea what I will face or OTHERS. But I pray the Chaplet for Divine Mercy so that they dying will face a merciful God. The St Gertrude prayer daily to release holy souls in purgatory. I fast for the conversion of sinners. I personally hope that there is no one in hell. I am not telling you personally to change the way you dress. I am saying why I think that someone should dress more modestly. I am happy that we live in a free country and can dress anyway we want. I will however teach my daughter how to dress modestly and teach my boys to respect all women.

As you have stated often, it is our opinion that a bikini is not modest. It is also your opinion that God is not offended by the way women are dressing. You do not know that he is not offended, anymore than I know he is.

I’m done.
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Good. I have no problem with that. I just don’t like it when people tell me I’m sinning without any sort of church authority to back up their claim.
 
wynnejj said:
I’m intrigued about Portrait’s point about the power of the woman’s body on the sensibilities of the man, especially King David. Here you have a man who was willing to battle Goliath with a little slingshot because someone disrespected the name of the one true God. He went into battle, not tempting God with the expectation that God would save him for the honor of God’s own name, but rather expecting to die that day for the honor of God.

Yet this same man succumbed to his own natural instincts to keep his eyes fixed on a beautiful body and become fixated on mating with her. So deep was his shame of the power of woman over him, that he first sought to give Uriah a “paid vacation” to be with his wife and supposedly have relations to hide the fact that Bathsheba was giving birth to his child. When that didn’t work, he sent Uriah to the front lines of war to be killed in battle, so that he could marry her properly.

What made this man devoted to God succumb to the shape and beauty of a woman? I say, natural instinct, biological imperative that is difficult for even the most principled man to overcome.

What is truly interesting is how the Bible still hails this person / pervert? in such widespread high praises? Such is the worth of a man with such a problem and true contrition!

Whereas I agree that this natural instinct varies in degree from one male to the next, I humbly submit that it is there in such a large number of males and is truly a strongly intrinsic biological natural instinct to become fixated on the natural beauty and shape of a woman.
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Oh and by the way, since you brought this up…

God came down on DAVID for his sin of lust. NOT the woman for being too seductive or too beautiful
 
It’s been siad (and I quite agree) that one of the sexiest outfits a woman can wear is a white T shirt and a pair of jeans. And I would find that proper Mass attire.

Gentlemen, it’s not about what she’s wearing, it’s about YOUR SELF CONTROL. Paul admonishes us in several of his epistles to practice self control. Two examples below from the book of Titus:

Titus 2.2 - Older men are to be sober-minded, dignified, self-controlled, sound in faith, in love, and in steadfastness.

Titus 2.6 - Likewise, urge the younger men to be self-controlled.

You either learn self-control here and now, or you’ll learn it in Purgatory, because you can’t get into Heaven without it. If you never learn it, I hope you like heat.
 
Rahn said:
It’s been siad (and I quite agree) that one of the sexiest outfits a woman can wear is a white T shirt and a pair of jeans. And I would find that proper Mass attire.

Gentlemen, it’s not about what she’s wearing, it’s about YOUR SELF CONTROL. Paul admonishes us in several of his epistles to practice self control. Two examples below from the book of Titus:

Titus 2.2 - Older men are to be sober-minded, dignified, self-controlled, sound in faith, in love, and in steadfastness.

Titus 2.6 - Likewise, urge the younger men to be self-controlled.

You either learn self-control here and now, or you’ll learn it in Purgatory, because you can’t get into Heaven without it. If you never learn it, I hope you like heat.
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Thank you.
 
Edward_H said:
Parson me, but I answered one of your posts above with questions directly. I’ll gladly answer these ones too.
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I would consider choices of dress that show beauty but not sexual potential or assets. If I were a women I’d tease my husband to death in side the house and away from our children.
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Ok, what specifically do you define as sexual potential and assets? Some people would draw the line below the knees and up to the neck line. Others would say bathing suits are as naked as it appropriate to get in public.
I told you twice that the Church’s standard is an adult standard, one that doesn’t specify inches or parts shown. Intention and common sense answer more questions than some rule book. The Church will never issue a rule book…and only fools find haven in such rules and especially in the lack of such rules. The Church’s way is to respect freedom but to expect deliberation…but not to be overly specifying.
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Good, I agree. I think the only standard the Church has is to follow what is appropriate for the time and place in our culture.

I wonder then why you speak as though there IS a rule book? For example, you seem to really have it our for 2 piece bathing suits, shorts, tank tops, and mini skirts.
I told you above, yes your pictures are fine…you’re a very beautiful woman…except perhaps the beach shot…which in your Rio culture is the norm. Fine. I think that view of you is for your husband only. Crucify me for saying so…I don’t care.
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Good. So if you think I dress modestly then why are you still arguing with me?
 
Debora123 said:
Good. I have no problem with that. I just don’t like it when people tell me I’m sinning without any sort of church authority to back up their claim.
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I don’t think you are sinning. There are many changes that I have made personally for my faith. I don’t expect everyone to think or act like me or they are sinning. That is between the person and God. I have just been giving MY opinion and trying to explain why I feel the way I do.
 
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