Top papal aide says Vatican ‘worried’ about Trump’s refugee order

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TMC said:
So the Pope only supports refugees in an attempt to line his own pockets? Seriously, I didn’t think the defamation of the Pope could go any lower, and yet it does.
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That makes no sense at all. The prior comment didn’t even the Pope.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Unfortunately, there is also money in refugee resettlement. I really didn’t understand that until I was told by a person with our diocesan charitable organization about it and how it’s often grossly abused. So there really is money, and a lot of it, behind importing refugees. I learned a little more from another poster on CAF as to how the agencies involved in refugee importation and “resettlement” work, and who they are. I encourage anybody who is interested in knowing about it to google “volag”, which is the acronym for those organizations. Look at the list carefully. Here it is. There are nine of them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VOLAG
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The sad thing is the only reason this all is in the spotlight is to bludgeon President Trump. This sort of thing has been going for a long time.

Refugee movements and other mass migrations create enormous headaches along the lines of human dignity. The stories I’ve heard from people on the front of these sorts of situations would make most of the readers sick to their stomachs. Very sad indeed.

That’s why we need eagle eyes on these sorts of things. The abuses are rank.
 
SuperLuigi said:
The sad thing is the only reason this all is in the spotlight is to bludgeon President Trump. This sort of thing has been going for a long time.
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Completely false. It’s in the spotlight because it isn’t based in logic.
 
I don’t see where the bishop’s or Pope commented on Trump’s decision to focus on the persecuted refugee Christians from the middle east, when President Obama allowed ninety nine percent of the refugee Muslims into the U.S, and only allowed one percent of refugee Christians into the U.S and kept the latter in holding facilities, but gave the green light for the Muslims?
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
I don’t see where the bishop’s or Pope commented on Trump’s decision to focus on the persecuted refugee Christians from the middle east, when President Obama allowed ninety nine percent of the refugee Muslims into the U.S, and only allowed one percent of refugee Christians into the U.S and kept the latter in holding facilities, but gave the green light for the Muslims?
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God came not for the righteous but sinners. I don’t know - maybe that has something to do with it. They don’t pay Church taxes in Germany either as far as I know.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Again, general concerns are one thing, and that’s fine for churchmen and perhaps appropriate to their role. Concrete actions are something entirely different, and so far I have seen none proffered by any churchmen. But state authorities have to face the more difficult task of actually formulating and implementing practical policies geared to protecting the citizenry.

So far, I have seen no direct Church condemnation of the concrete actions of this government in attempting to more closely scrutinize people coming from seven countries, all of which are terrorist havens.
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Maybe you haven’t. But as I cited from the article earlier, Archbishop Chaput said the Church in the United States has reacted** “so strongly, so negatively - and so properly - to President Trump’s executive orders of January 28.”**
 
gracepoole said:
Completely false. It’s in the spotlight because it isn’t based in logic.
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If that’s true, where all of this criticism from the Vatican on down to the protesters in the last SIX years this was going down.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Maybe you haven’t. But as I cited from the article earlier, Archbishop Chaput said the Church in the United States has reacted** “so strongly, so negatively - and so properly - to President Trump’s executive orders of January 28.”**
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He has also condemned the vicious attacks on Trump.

Now, which of the refugees actually qualify as refugees, and on what basis? I can understand admission of some refugees who are clearly fleeing deadly oppression, but when, as Germany discovered, about 1/3 have false identity papers, what is to be believed about them, and what is to be doubted?

rt.com/news/316570-eu-false-syrian-refugees/

General statements are one thing, but practical applications are another. If, indeed, Abp Chaput favors unquestioning admission of all who claim refugee status, then I cannot possibly agree with him on that.

But I doubt that’s his meaning.
 
SuperLuigi said:
If that’s true, where all of this criticism from the Vatican on down to the protesters in the last SIX years this was going down.
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If Trump is merely repeating what Obama did, why are you okay with it?
 
Ridgerunner said:
He has also condemned the vicious attacks on Trump.

Now, which of the refugees actually qualify as refugees, and on what basis? I can understand admission of some refugees who are clearly fleeing deadly oppression, but when, as Germany discovered, about 1/3 have false identity papers, what is to be believed about them, and what is to be doubted?

rt.com/news/316570-eu-false-syrian-refugees/

General statements are one thing, but practical applications are another. If, indeed, Abp Chaput favors unquestioning admission of all who claim refugee status, then I cannot possibly agree with him on that.

But I doubt that’s his meaning.
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You mean take into account practicality and fix something that’s leaky?

What a concept.
 
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/i..._17_2015_Credit_Bohumil_Petrik_CNA.jpgVatican City, Feb 4, 2017 / 08:16 am (CNA/EWTN News).- In his newest prayer video Pope Francis focused on the poor and refugees, saying we shouldn’t be like immobile mannequin’s when faced with their needs, but must instead reach out and help.

“We live in cities that throw up skyscrapers and shopping centers and strike big real estate deals, but they abandon part of themselves to marginal settlements on the periphery,” the Pope said in his prayer video, released Feb. 4.

Francis speaks as the video opens to a scene of people doing a “Mannequin Challenge” – a viral internet trend where people freeze in their positions as music plays in the background – on a crowded city street.

“The result of this situation is that great sections of the population are excluded and marginalized: without a job, without options, without a way out.”

“Don’t abandon them,” he said, as the frozen figures jump into action and help a homeless man hunched by the side of a building.

He asked viewers to join him in praying for his February prayer intention, which is “that all those who are afflicted, especially the poor, refugees, and marginalized may find welcome and comfort in our communities.”

The Pope’s prayer is timely, as it falls on the heels of U.S. President Donald Trump’s proposed immigration ban, which would halt the influx of refugees into the U.S., except in the cases of religious minorities fleeing persecution. Part of the ban could also mean suspending visas issued to persons from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, and Libya.

The temporary ban could last four months, and presidential approval could be required to renew refugee resettlement from Syria.

Pope Francis has not made any comment on the issue, however, American Cardinal Joseph Tobin of Newark said during a recent trip to Rome that the Pope thinks the country’s bishops are giving the issue “a Gospel response,” and doesn’t feel the need to intervene.

Francis’ prayer intention this month also draws on his “urgent intention” for January, which was dedicated to homeless persons forced to stay out on the streets during the winter.

An initiative of the Jesuit-run Apostleship of Prayer project, the Pope’s monthly prayer intentions typically focus on things close to his heart, such as the poor and needy, refugees, child soldiers, migrants, families, women, workers, youth, elderly and the unemployed.

Founded by Jesuit seminarians in France in 1884, the Apostleship of Prayer was established as a means of encouraging Christians to serve God and others through prayer, particularly for the needs of the Church. Since its foundation, the organization has received a monthly universal prayer intention from the Pope, but in 1929 an additional “evangelization intention” was added, aimed at the faithful in particular.

However, after nearly 100 years, Francis has decided to return to the old system and will alternate between universal and evangelistic themes each month, with a specific “urgent” intention being announced during his first Angelus address of the month.

According to the Apostleship of Prayer’s website, the Pope’s additional urgent intention will focus on “current events or urgent needs,” such as disaster relief, and will “help mobilize prayer and action related to the urgent situation.”

The videos on the prayer intentions were launched as part of a project specifically for the Jubilee of Mercy, and marked the first time his prayer intentions had been featured on video as part of an initiative called “The Pope Video.”

Although the Jubilee has ended, the videos will continue throughout 2017. The intentions for the rest of the year have already been listed on the Apostleship of Prayer’s website.

feeds.feedburner.com/~ff/catholicnewsagency/dailynews?d=yIl2AUoC8zA
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/catholicnewsagency/dailynews/~4/I1j40Is8FwM

Full article…
 
Let me make this clear to the teen-age Trumpsters, I will defend our Holy Pope and his Bishops. I will not put up with disrespect or outright attacks because they do not line up with current Glorious Leader in the White House.
Catholic or Trumpolic.
I’ll stand with the guy in the white robe. 👍
 
Son_of_Niall said:
Let me make this clear to the teen-age Trumpsters, I will defend our Holy Pope and his Bishops. I will not put up with disrespect or outright attacks because they do not line up with current Glorious Leader in the White House.
Catholic or Trumpolic.
I’ll stand with the guy in the white robe. 👍
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Let me make this clear, name calling is against forum rules!
 
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