I’d shy away from trying to explain Catholicism using American politics
Catholicism is much deeper and richer than politics (as it should be) and it seems political language would cheapen it. Though there are those that adhere more strongly to the teachings of the Church than others, I don’t know how best to describe those to non-Catholics.Amen to that.
Not introduced by Rome but adopted from a pentacostal Protestant movement…I’ll pass also.
Indeed.
Asking about being conservative or liberal doesn’t always mean someone’s talking about politics. A conservative is simply someone that agrees with how something used to be (synonym:traditional) and a liberal is someone that doesn’t like how things used to be so they want to change it for the better of a society or group. They can be used to talk about politics, but aren’t always used that way. In this case, I’m not talking about politics.I’d shy away from trying to explain Catholicism using American politics
When I think charismaticism, or whatever it’s called, I think of people jumping up and down in the aisles saying, “LOOK AT ME, LORD!” and as everyone’s doing it, it looks like a contest for God to pick the loudest one.
nothing against that
Or D) The gift is separate from the Spirit who creates and gives it.
I hate to use colloquialisms, and I hate to be insulting, but: “you first”.
This is not true to reality. The charismatic meeting is about us, and the Mass is about God (The Father is unceasingly praised). What is the use of the gift of tongues in some closed-room Charismatic meeting, among Christians alone? There’s no communication between us and the heathens, no conversions, just Christians talking to Christians in tongues to no end or goal. God gives gifts gratuitously, and always toward a rational end. You know the gift of tongues is absolutely fake or an illusion when it’s practiced in a private Christian meeting.
When you say the early Church had these gifts, I believe that they did, but they didn’t show off like they were someone better than everybody else. They didn’t yell about these gifts, they didn’t start a movement that said if you don’t have these gifts, God doesn’t love you, they didn’t roll around in the Church and say Look at me Lord!, nor did they make it a selfish contest about who can receive more of these gifts from God. I have other Catholics do this to me everyday and I’m sick of the selfishness. What the early Church did do was they stayed quiet about it and reverently thanked God for the gift without shouting to the world. The movement that we have today that has invaded the Catholic Church is a selfish, all about ME movement that has taken us further from Christ. Don’t be telling me that I’m full of pride because I’m a traditional Catholic that doesn’t support people with gifts, because that’s not true. Most of the pride in the Catholic Church is in that charismatic movement because God gave them a gift and they go rubbing it in people’s face. I’m SICK of being called prideful for not supporting a prideful movement.
One, Paul said one can pray in tongues. So the meeting automatically counts for something because God hears them. At its core it’s about as man-centered as praying the Rosary aloud in a group, and in the case of a group no one needs interpret because no one is proclaiming anything to the group. They’re just talking to God together. And Paul also said that tongues without interpretation can edify the individual praying them. He also assumed that they could withhold praying them in certain settings, or pray them quietly - so certain manifestations of the gift can be controlled by the one granted them. And it’s certainly possible that there are different forms of it. It’s kind of obvious from the people accusing them of being drunk that at Pentecost some people didn’t understand the tongues. Which means we may have two miracles, one being tongues and the other having the people understand them despite not knowing the language.I hate to use colloquialisms, and I hate to be insulting, but: “you first”.
This is not true to reality. The charismatic meeting is about us, and the Mass is about God (The Father is unceasingly praised). What is the use of the gift of tongues in some closed-room Charismatic meeting, among Christians alone? There’s no communication between us and the heathens, no conversions, just Christians talking to Christians in tongues to no end or goal. God gives gifts gratuitously, and always toward a rational end. You know the gift of tongues is absolutely fake or an illusion when it’s practiced in a private Christian meeting.
TONGUES were employed in the Acts of the Apostles IN PUBLIC to CONVERT, not IN PRIVATE to praise God. There is a division and distinction of mode and operation!
not all Catholic charismatics do this…
absolutely no one says this
again, not all Catholic charismatics do this. Most are sincere and are just trying to follow God like we all are.
I have to ask you, how do you know what people are thinking, or what is in their hearts? The Catholic charismatics that I have met are not like this… sure maybe some are, and some not… just as in the traditional movement, some are proud, and some are humble. It depends on the individual. Let’s not generalize
otherwise, it just doesn’t work… I have known Catholic charismatics who are also quite traditional. I just think, we don’t know what is in people’s hearts.I just want to add the word alone after God.
I’m not a part of the movement and I agree with you on all those points. I handle my gifts much in the same way you say they should be handled. What I’m saying is that more conservative people like me don’t appreciate being thrown out with the bathwater.
And because you can speak tongues does that make you a saint? I like how you point out the flaw of GloriousOrder, yet you don’t say anything about yourself. And your telling us that we’re full of pride. Take the splinter out of your own eye before you point out someone else’s.