Trads and the Charismatic "Renewal."

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The real issue to me isn’t the charismatic renewal, but an apparent “hostility” against people who prefer contemplative/monastic prayer.
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Unfortunately, hostility cuts in multiple directions. It gets to a point where Group A is mad at Group B because they think Group B thinks poorly of them. Then Group B thinks poorly of Group A because they see that Group A is mad at them when they haven’t even ever done anything to Group A. Self-fulfilling prophecy. Vicious cycle. Etc.

My approach is to get off the ride and refuse to play the game. I’d rather spend my energy affirming what the Church affirms, and looking for good in what the Church promotes—whether that be charismatic prayer, or contemplative prayer, or chant or whatever.
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This is very true… it goes both ways and you are correct.
 
I’d love to see what it looks like… but they’re completely nonexistent here (otoh I live in Catholic heavy Texas and there plenty of traditional churches anyways).
 
I think that there is far too much judgement and criticism about how other Catholics pray. We are all subject to obedience to the Church under the guidance of our individual confessors.

What a marvellous treasury is the Church. Let no one disparage other faithful Catholics in their prayers and devotions. What the Pope has not condemned, is not harmful to the Church.

I remember reading recently on another thread: “Labels are for cans.” Seems relevant whenever divisive topics appear.
 
I think the infallible / non-infallible dichotomy you present to be rather reductionist in approach or philosophy towards listening to the voice of the Church. Just my impression, of course. I don’t think that’s the way the Holy Spirit works in the Church. Relying on one’s own intellect as the final criterion for acceptance or rejection of something that multiple Popes have supported is shaky ground to tread on.

Many good Catholics have not in the past, nor are so today, particularly well-informed on all theological matters nor intellectually gifted to a degree such that they could begin to make these decisions for themselves. That is what the Church is for.

I think to go by the axiom, “That’s not infallible teaching, so I don’t have to follow it.” can get one into trouble. You are more rationalistic in your initial approach towards a thing, while I am more intuitive. That is my observation anyways. 🙂

I might make a topic on this one premise of adherence based on the standard of infallibility versus non infallible, just because it seems interesting to me. Probably everyone will start arguing, though. Oh well.
 
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I guess I’m not clear on where past teachings of the Church were being contradicted. Perhaps I missed something. I think I just skimmed this thread. I forget now. 😃
 
True, but baptism is more significant than what happened to Cornelius.

The Catechism even says that baptism is the gate of entry into life in the spirit.
 
I’m not a Charismatic nor do I have much knowledge about them,

but we can certainly ask for a grace to be given can we not? And that would logically increase the likelihood that God would give it to the person. This is a scriptural notion.

I suppose it would be an error for a person to assume that some particular charism of the HS is going to be given if only one prays for it. Do all charismatics make this assumption?

(I’m not being rhetorical here when I ask this question, but I would think that some may have this sort of mindset and some do not. )
 
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All gifts come from God.
There is a whole category on this fora solely devoted to praying for God’s gifts.
I see nothing wrong here.
 
My thoughts are that the OP is showing bias towards the CCR, probably hasn’t had much contact with it (especially if he thinks it is “prevalent” - it’s about equally prevalent as trad services in the diocese where I am now) and looking for people to agree with his view.
 
I too questioned how “prevalent” it is. It’s not unknown nor pervasive. Just another approved prayer. The Sunday liturgy remains the primary prayer of all Catholics.
 
My understanding is that the only role exclusively male is the ministerial priesthood. Women are capable of performing all other functions.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
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It’s actually quite cryptic to make references to something or someone twice in 24-hours and not follow through with identifying either. But to each her own.
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I am happy to discuss that loophole in a new thread. When you are ready…
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That would be when you’re ready, since (again)…
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I didn’t raise the issue of a “loophole”…
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And yet, it became a focus, without coughing.
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That’s what happens when posters are cryptic.
Roseeurekacross said:
Australia is a curiosity, afterall we have that platypus - it confounded the experts for quite some time, and then there’s that Thylacine. The big question though is why on earth do we eat vegemite 🙀
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Haha! Indeed!
 
Interesting. I’m surprised my Bishop does not know about this from what I’ve noticed at the Cathedral. 😮
 
You are right to honour the Church as Spouse of Christ. 💒 We love her dearly!

My understanding is that there is no such capacity as you are suggesting.

It is not a role (such as the priest’s), rather it is a function that may be filled or not, unlike the indispensable role of the priest.
 
We are completely off-topic here. However, this web page is quite pertinent and fairly balanced, I think.

Speaking here is Father Edward McNamara, professor of liturgy at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical Athenaeum.

a snippet…
From the point of view of liturgical law, an official interpretation of Canon 230, Paragraph 2, of the Code of Canon law on the possibility of delegating certain liturgical offices led to a 1994 letter from the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments clarifying that girls may serve at the altar. But bishops are not bound to permit them to do so, nor could the episcopal conference limit the bishop’s faculty to decide for himself.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur19.htm
 
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Um, how did a thread on trads and the charismatic renewal turn into a debate on female altar servers, which Jamal’s post addresses?
I hope we are not going to make a practice of debating on here matters that have already been decisively settled by the Vatican.
 
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