Transgender teen who died of an apparent suicide: ‘Fix society. Please.’

[gracepoole]

Just saw this shared on Facebook.

 

[WilT]

You wanna put pressure on teens/pre-teens in school? You wanna crank up the stress of puberty ANOTHER notch? Wanna make kids who are socially awkward around the opposite sex feel even MORE uncomfortable?

Just go ahead and “bully” them into deciding whether “they must be gay”.
Yeah, thats JUST what adolescent kids need when they are wondering why nobody asked them to be their date on Prom Night.

interesting point Lion:sad_yes: that could explain many of their confusion

 

[estesbob]

Just saw this shared on Facebook.

What a terrible ,terrible thing to do the grieving parents. Have homosexual apologists no shame?

 

[Thorolfr]

What a terrible ,terrible thing to do the grieving parents. Have homosexual apologists no shame?

What does Leelah’s case have to do with homosexuals or homosexual apologists?

What gracepoole shared from Fabebook says,

Leelah’s parents, upon learning that she was “gay”, yanked Leelah from school…They could recognize the importance of supporting the Transgender community before we loose another son or daughter to suicide.

The word “gay” is in quotes for a reason because a lot of people (perhaps including Leelah’s parents) seem to be confusing Transgender, a gender identity issue, with being “gay” or “homosexual” which has to do with sexual orientation. They are not related.

 

[Mulligan2]

Just saw this shared on Facebook.

Thank you for posting that. It seems there were those around her who could have helped, if given the opportunity. Sadly, her own parents only made things worse for her. I don’t believe her parents will ever fully accept their role in her suicide.

 

[Path_Finder]

What does Leelah’s case have to do with homosexuals or homosexual apologists?

What gracepoole shared from Fabebook says,

The word “gay” is in quotes for a reason because a lot of people (perhaps including Leelah’s parents) seem to be confusing Transgender, a gender identity issue, with being “gay” or “homosexual” which has to do with sexual orientation. They are not related.

They may not be related but they are certainly lumped together under the general label of GLBT.

 

[meltzerboy]

People who think it matters ALOT!

According to the article, "…When I was 14, I learned what transgender meant"

From whom did a 14 year old boy “learn” this lie that sex/life would be better if he wasn’t a female “trapped” in a mans body?

How would having artificial breasts and a fake vagina improve this persons sexual identity other than being camouflage so that he can pretend to have (guilt-free?) “heterosexual sex” with men.
(Or ‘lesbian’ sex with other women.)

What difference does it make? Why do you want to segregate and put people into categories?
That’s kind of hypocritical of you.
…Lesbian teens. Gay teens. Transgender teens. Questioning teens. Bi-curious teens. Cross-dressing teens. Effeminate boys. Butch girls.
The only difference here is that these are not adults deciding for themselves.

Is it any wonder young people are suffering from “gender dysphoria” and questioning their sexuality these days?

Insofar as categorization is concerned, I know as a cognitive psychologist that all of us tend to categorize virtually everything. We categorize people by means of gender, race, religion, culture, age, geography, sexual orientation, etc., as well as non-human creatures. We also categorize things: fields of knowledge, types of art, furniture, fashion, vehicles of transportation, food, you name it. While it is true that categorizing people can lead to stereotyping and generalizations, it also serves as a means of easier identification and communication, and is part of the normal human mind and thought process.

Also, I differentiate between transgender and gay because, according to clinical psychologists and psychiatrists, there is in fact a difference. Transgender people have a gender identity issue, whereas gay people do not: they are attracted to people of the same sex. Therefore the two categories should not be grouped together in the same category.

 

[St_Francis]

… Is anyone here really condemning this poor child for committing suicide?..

Actually, to a certain extent yes, I am.

This “poor child” of 17 just devastated several if not many lives, including that of the complete stranger the teen forced to take a human life by stepping in front of the truck.

The notes timed to appear after death show a totally self-centered attitude towards the situation, condemning the parents with a literal “F you.”

OK, the person had GID–what, GID makes a person unable to be a selfish jerk? No. The teen had GID, but that does not lift the obligation to be considerate of others.

The suicide note itself explained that the act s chosen to cause changes in society as well as to let the world know what rotten crummy parents he had. This is extortion–it is worse than extortion because threatening to take one’s own life if someone else does not do what one wants is forcing them to choose which way to violate their conscience. It is showing one has less care for one’s own life than one hopes the other to have.

Yes, according to what I know, yes, I am against the teen’s decision to commit suicide in a way to cause maximal pain and devastaion to others and to hope that it be used to further one narrow personal belief.

 

[estesbob]

Thank you for posting that. It seems there were those around her who could have helped, if given the opportunity. Sadly, her own parents only made things worse for her. I don’t believe her parents will ever fully accept their role in her suicide.

Actually it appears of those around him, including the parents of some of his so-called friends, were making the situation worse. Now ,in his parents time of grief,they want to kick them some more and use their son’s tragic death push their agenda . Shame shame shame on them

 

[St_Francis]

Thank you for posting that. It seems there were those around her who could have helped, if given the opportunity. Sadly, her own parents only made things worse for her. I don’t believe her parents will ever fully accept their role in her suicide.

Yeah, it’s really mean for parents to try to help their children, to take them away from what they see as bad influences, to send them to counselors to help them, and, oh, heaven forbid! to deny them something which costs 10s of thousands of dollars for something science has noticed in some people to be a phase.

I keep hearing stories of teens with GID being kicked out of their home by their parents when they reveal their desire to be the opposite sex. Wow, and not all of these teens kill themselves by forcing a stranger to kill them!

 

[Darryl1958]

Is the fix that people are advocating this:

“Give money to your son/daughter to do surgery on his/her penis/vagina, or else when s/he kills himself the blood is on your hands, and we will be all over the internet denigrating you as monsters?”

Never let a suicide go to waste. It is almost like a page from the playbook of Obama and his Chicago machine.

 

[meltzerboy]

Is the fix that people are advocating this:

“Give money to your son/daughter to do surgery on his/her penis/vagina, or else when s/he kills himself the blood is on your hands, and we will be all over the internet denigrating you as monsters?”

Never let a suicide go to waste. It is almost like a page from the playbook of Obama and his Chicago machine.

Wouldn’t you say this is somewhat of a stretch, indeed over-the-top, although perhaps intentionally so to make a point? And I notice that you too did not let this suicide go to waste without taking the opportunity to make an association with Obama.

 

[Darryl1958]

Wouldn’t you say this is somewhat of a stretch, indeed over-the-top, although perhaps intentionally so to make a point? And I notice that you too did not let this suicide go to waste without making an association with Obama.

No, I wouldn’t say this is somewhat of a stretch, or over the top.
I think the point it makes is intentionally well made though, and fits well into what I have always been saying of how manipulative threats of suicide and suicide can be.
Perhaps psychologists could do some research into this, since the field of transgender is apparently not well researched enough.

And I think the analogy with Obama is perfect and enlightening, because in both cases the intent of those using either a crisis or now a suicide to advance an agenda has been overtly stated by them.
The agenda is overtly apparent in both the title of the thread, and in the opening article, where those with the agenda to fix society said that that is what they were going to do.

 

[Darryl1958]

What exactly is the difference between accusing parents of having an unacknowledged role in the suicide of their child and calling them monsters?
If I come off as being a bit emotional on that account, I guess it is because I am.

That is a horrid thing to say.

What a horrid message to deliver. If you don’t agree with your child on their choice of sexuality, then the blood is on your hands.

It is one thing for the child who is in pain to make such a claim. For ordinary posters to make it, with even more clarity, is pure crass politics, and calls to mind the same crassness that the Chicago team has been criticized for in other such tragic situations.

 

[Path_Finder]

What I am struck by is no matter how sad this case is, at 17 years old, that is way to young for someone to commit suicide yet, many teens do or contemplate it.

So, yes, the teen may have been part of a group that has a higher suicide rate, say higher than young males or females but that group can be broken down further. Those bullied as we have seen happen to a number of young women, they are not just in a group of females but “females who were bullied”, likewise, one can say “teen age males who were jilted” rather than the general category of “teenage males”.

 

[Mulligan2]

Actually it appears of those around him, including the parents of some of his so-called friends, were making the situation worse. Now ,in his parents time of grief,they want to kick them some more and use their son’s tragic death push their agenda . Shame shame shame on them

If you read the Facebook post I commented on, and truly believe those people were trying to “make the situation worse” (your words), then sadly there’s really nothing I or anyone else can say that will change your opinion on this.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

What exactly is the difference between accusing parents of having an unacknowledged role in the suicide of their child and calling them monsters?
If I come off as being a bit emotional on that account, I guess it is because I am.

That is a horrid thing to say.

What a horrid message to deliver. If you don’t agree with your child on their choice of sexuality, then the blood is on your hands.

It is one thing for the child who is in pain to make such a claim. For ordinary posters to make it, with even more clarity, is pure crass politics, and calls to mind the same crassness that the Chicago team has been criticized for in other such tragic situations.

I agree with you. At worse the parents handled the situation horribly and dropped the ball several times, but as far as I can tell there was no ill will or malice in their actions. They did what they thought was best for the well being of their child and now they are going to spend the rest of their lives with regret and “We should have done this instead”'s. The monsters in this tragedy are the ones on both sides of the issue of transgenderism and homosexuality that are using it to profit their own cause.

 

[St_Francis]

If you read the Facebook post I commented on, and truly believe those people were trying to “make the situation worse” (your words), then sadly there’s really nothing I or anyone else can say that will change your opinion on this.

I do not think that the “supportive” friends were *trying *to make the situation worse. But then *neither were the parents. *

So what happened was that the God-given authority of the parents, the people who knew the teen the best, the people who loved the teen the best, was *usurped *by the society that pushes only one line on how to deal with any manifestation of GID, the teenage friends who were supportive of the teen (altho as mentioned in the suicide note, only friends because of proximity), the “supportive” next-door parents.

And now even we Catholics, who ought to know more about vice and about the virtues of honoring parents and subsequently authority, are joining in to judge and condemn the parents of this teen.

Would you proseletyze someone else’s children? Or would you recognize the duty and subsequent right of the parents to raise their own children without interference? How would you as a Catholic parent feel if some atheist started pushing another theology on your children while they were still under your authority and care?

 

[estesbob]

If you read the Facebook post I commented on, and truly believe those people were trying to “make the situation worse” (your words), then sadly there’s really nothing I or anyone else can say that will change your opinion on this.

Clearlyv they were making the situation worse . While this child’s parents struggled with trying to handle his sexual confusion they and their son were standing on the sidelines undermining them . Then after their son committed suicide they attacked the still grieving parents for not being as “enlightened” as they are . Shame on them.

 

[mkoopman]

Actually, to a certain extent yes, I am.

This “poor child” of 17 just devastated several if not many lives, including that of the complete stranger the teen forced to take a human life by stepping in front of the truck.

The notes timed to appear after death show a totally self-centered attitude towards the situation, condemning the parents with a literal “F you.”

OK, the person had GID–what, GID makes a person unable to be a selfish jerk? No. The teen had GID, but that does not lift the obligation to be considerate of others.

The suicide note itself explained that the act s chosen to cause changes in society as well as to let the world know what rotten crummy parents he had. This is extortion–it is worse than extortion because threatening to take one’s own life if someone else does not do what one wants is forcing them to choose which way to violate their conscience. It is showing one has less care for one’s own life than one hopes the other to have.

Yes, according to what I know, yes, I am against the teen’s decision to commit suicide in a way to cause maximal pain and devastaion to others and to hope that it be used to further one narrow personal belief.

I think you are confusing the issue, also. Not that your condemnation of the rash acts are improper; they are improperly timed. Just as you identify the e-mail releases to be.

The real problem you seem to have is accepting the anecdotal evidence that the teen had some type fo gender problem that may or may not even exist. Regardless, even if such a specific condition would exist this aberration is not likely to be the root cause of the suicide.

I would rather conjecture that this child wanted to be a martyr to some cause … and was cheered on by “friends.” Only because, although regrettable beyond any words that can console, this peer influenced behavior is more in line with common behaviors of this age group.

This would identify a type of “suicide pact” – except, only one of the children has to die. The others get to win “big points” on the exotic “video game” they thought would be cool.

I believe that prayers for the deceased and the parents are what is in order. Exacerbating the horrific tragedy with trepid trollism is not just sinful, it is gravely in error.