This may very well be the show I was referring to. Thank you. (I’m waiting now for the criticisms about leftist PBS.) Unlike Native American cultures who are tolerant of both, the Muslim-dominant countries are not tolerant of gay people although they are tolerant of transgender people.
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Do you claim that the Church has NO position - biblical or doctrinal - on the question of suicide and/or the abnormality of homosexual/transgender/transsexual behaviour?Lion IRC;12625806:
or official Church teaching.Indeed!
I’ve been watching your interlocutors here in this thread estesbob and it’s amazing how reluctant they are to debate this issue in the context of scripture
Instead they appeal to the canon of psychiatry and the zeitgeist of subjective opinion.
The Op is an argumentum ad baculum plain and simple.
And it’s par for the course for the LGBTQ lobby.
…Change your moral/biblical worldview or else there will be more suicides just like this!
It seems to me that the point made thus far by estesbob’s “interlocutors” is that the Church doesn’t have an official teaching on some of this content. Kind of hard to reference what doesn’t exist.
Fair enough. The Church is more than entitled to object based on its own moral principles and values. Orthodox Judaism is also more than entitled to object, as it has. But the fact remains that cultural diversity exists, which does not necessarily mean that any given culture is trying to impose its own cultural practices and mores on other cultures. And I think that, at the very least, all of us should be educated regarding other people’s cultural practices and beliefs in addition to our own. That does not mean we have to agree, but only know what’s going on in other societies, as well as in our own, which, in the case of the United States is multicultural.
That they found a minuscule number of societies that had strange opinions about gender is really irrelevant to the discussion .
This is in the present, not only in the past, and it is far from minuscule. Did you take a look at the link that Gracepoole provided in post #247?
I did.
So as a Catholic are we better off going to the catechism of the Catholic Church are. For example, equality of people no longer just means equal dignity and access to fundamental human rights; but also the irrelevance of the natural differences between men and women, the uniformity of all individuals, as though they were sexually undifferentiated, and therefore the equality of all sexual orientations and behavior: heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, transsexual, polymorphous. Each individual has the right to freely practice (and change, should they wish) their choices in line with their drives, desires and preferences.
I readily acknowledge that the Church has specific teachings on suicide (though usually not what people anticipate from what I’ve observed) and sexuality. Is anyone here really condemning this poor child for committing suicide?
First, acceptance, tolerance, and approval are different things. Second, you are not bound by the Church to approve. You are bound by the Church and by Christ Himself to respect and love.
There is a difference between loving and affirming. I love my homosexual daughter unconditionally but I do not affirm her behavior .
Appealing to what happens elsewhere…as if it’s perfectly normal, is a logical fallacy.
What do you mean by “bully them into deciding whether they must be gay”? Like where is this happening and in what way?
Who ‘bullies’ teens into making this decision? The LGBTQ lobby, as you call it? Teens themselves generally come to realize what their sexual preference is. And what do GAY teens have to do with TRANSGENDER teens who have gender dysphoria, which gay teens do not have?
I do not know any Catholics who condemn or hate people.It is the idea that a person would despise their genitalia to the extent they would have it gutted,turned inside out and have a pesudo vagina made out of it. all with the cheers and approval of modern medicine… This phenomena is not new,as dozens of odd sexual aberrations exist as well as hundreds of mental and emotional problems. To accept these psychological problems as being cured with surgery to try to mask a persons given gender is just evidence of how far our society has degraded.This is not about accepting and loving people but affirming surgical acts that deliberately mutilate a body in a futile attempt to play God .Having a surgically created vagina and taking hormones does NOT make one a female.Your gender is determined at conception in regards to the Y chromosome which is contributed by the male.
