Transgender teen who died of an apparent suicide: ‘Fix society. Please.’

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I do not know any Catholics who condemn or hate people.It is the idea that a person would despise their genitalia to the extent they would have it gutted,turned inside out and have a pesudo vagina made out of it. all with the cheers and approval of modern medicine… This phenomena is not new,as dozens of odd sexual aberrations exist as well as hundreds of mental and emotional problems. To accept these psychological problesm as being cured with surgery to try to mask a persons given gender is just evidence of how far our society has degraded.This is not about accepting and loving people but affirming surgical acts that deliberately mutilate a body in a futile attempt to play God .

I am certain this poor child suffered greatly but the hatred he left his parents with(in a suicide post online) was unwarranted. These kind parents did not reciprocate but continue to grieve for and love the son that God blessed them with.Rest is peace Joshua and know that God is a God of mercy.
Speaking from experience of being in that place mentally, such hatred and rage toward others, especially those you are close to isn’t uncommon. In my case it was really a “damn you all and double damn you who should have helped me/people I blame for me being in this situation” scenario. My own personal reading of the note is that it isn’t one of rage and hatred, but of pain and despair.
 
Speaking from experience of being in that place mentally, such hatred and rage toward others, especially those you are close to isn’t uncommon. In my case it was really a “damn you all and double damn you who should have helped me/people I blame for me being in this situation” scenario. My own personal reading of the note is that it isn’t one of rage and hatred, but of pain and despair.
I’ve often heard that rage is depression turned outward.
 
What do you mean by “bully them into deciding whether they must be gay”? Like where is this happening and in what way?
My daughter has undergone such bullying. The “cool” girls at school don’t like how she dresses, her short hair, or how she acts so they deride her with derogatory terms and names implying that she is homosexual. Such bullying over a long period of time without proper corrective measures (which apparently, my wife tells me, does not include me going to the school and calling these “cool” girls various names and other assorted usages of the spoken word until they break down and cry) can have a severe impact on an individual’s concept of who they are, especially individuals who are also going through puberty.
 
Speaking from experience of being in that place mentally, such hatred and rage toward others, especially those you are close to isn’t uncommon. In my case it was really a “damn you all and double damn you who should have helped me/people I blame for me being in this situation” scenario. My own personal reading of the note is that it isn’t one of rage and hatred, but of pain and despair.
Sorry but when the last thing a child says to a parent is" F**K you" that is not crying out in despair.It says a lot about the dignity of the parents that they express deep love for the son God gave them. I think some of the bigger problem is the mixed signals this poor kid received in that society embraces these aberrations now whereas before the 1970 they were seen as deeply rooted psychological problems. Giving acceptance to emotionally disturbing manifestations of body hatred is futile. A person who spends the money to try to change his sex is only fooling himself. God made us male and female. A pseudo vagina has no purpose but to try to accomodate a male penis, It goes nowhere but is simply a surgical hole created in a male body. A pseudo penis also fails to function as a truly male organ as erection is impossible without the assistance of some sort of device and ejaculation of semen does not occur either. It is like children playing make believe to an extreme degree
 
My daughter has undergone such bullying. The “cool” girls at school don’t like how she dresses, her short hair, or how she acts so they deride her with derogatory terms and names implying that she is homosexual. Such bullying over a long period of time without proper corrective measures (which apparently, my wife tells me, does not include me going to the school and calling these “cool” girls various names and other assorted usages of the spoken word until they break down and cry) can have a severe impact on an individual’s concept of who they are, especially individuals who are also going through puberty.
I’m sorry to hear that. It’s hard to be a parent of a child that age. You want to protect them and, at the same time, imprint on them the perspective they can’t possibly have (that all this stuff is pretty much meaningless). Personally, I find the idea of school being a microcosm of the real world ridiculous. We would never put up with, as adults, what our children are expected to put up with in school.

But I don’t think that’s what Lion IRC is talking about. What you describe is not a recent phenomena. What he/she is suggesting seems to be.
 
What do you mean by “bully them into deciding whether they must be gay”? Like where is this happening and in what way?
LGBT Propagandist: “Hey Jimmy, I hear you like boys.”

Jimmy: “Yeah, but I really wish I didn’t. It feels wrong”

Propagandist: “That’s just close-minded bigots infecting you. Being gay is a beautiful thing and super-duper normal! Here’s a box of free Trojans. Go explore your sexuality!”

Jimmy: “No, I’d rather not and never. It feels wrong and I don’t want to do something like that.”

Propagandist: “Jimmy, don’t deny your desires. And if you’re worried about how you and another man can have sex-”

Jimmy: “No, shut up and go away. I don’t want to be gay.”

Propagandist: “Okay, you’re still in the closet. I understand. Don’t worry, we’ll help you come out and be proud of your sexuality.”

this kind of thing goes on for several months until…

Jimmy: “I give up, I guess I might as well embrace my homosexuality.”

Propagandist: “That’s the spirit! And from what I hear, hunky Jack Williams is single and also just came out of the closet. Why don’t we set you two up?”

Despicable, ain’t it?
 
LGBT Propagandist: “Hey Jimmy, I hear you like boys.”

Jimmy: “Yeah, but I really wish I didn’t. It feels wrong”

Propagandist: “That’s just close-minded bigots infecting you. Being gay is a beautiful thing and super-duper normal! Here’s a box of free Trojans. Go explore your sexuality!”

Jimmy: “No, I’d rather not and never. It feels wrong and I don’t want to do something like that.”

Propagandist: “Jimmy, don’t deny your desires. And if you’re worried about how you and another man can have sex-”

Jimmy: “No, shut up and go away. I don’t want to be gay.”

Propagandist: “Okay, you’re still in the closet. I understand. Don’t worry, we’ll help you come out and be proud of your sexuality.”

this kind of thing goes on for several months until…

Jimmy: “I give up, I guess I might as well embrace my homosexuality.”

Propagandist: “That’s the spirit! And from what I hear, hunky Jack Williams is single and also just came out of the closet. Why don’t we set you two up?”

Despicable, ain’t it?
Ah-huh. So, where’s this fictional conversation happening?
 
=gracepoole;12626112]I readily acknowledge that the Church has specific teachings on suicide (though usually not what people anticipate from what I’ve observed) and sexuality. Is anyone here really condemning this poor child for committing suicide?
I don’t think so.

But it kind of sounds like some are using the tragedy in classic progressive form to try and advance an agenda.
 
I don’t think so.

But it kind of sounds like some are using the tragedy in classic progressive form to try and advance an agenda.
Advancing the agenda was exactly what the people quoted in the OP article promised that they would do.
 
I’m sorry to hear that. It’s hard to be a parent of a child that age. You want to protect them and, at the same time, imprint on them the perspective they can’t possibly have (that all this stuff is pretty much meaningless). Personally, I find the idea of school being a microcosm of the real world ridiculous. We would never put up with, as adults, what our children are expected to put up with in school.

But I don’t think that’s what Lion IRC is talking about. What you describe is not a recent phenomena. What he/she is suggesting seems to be.
That there is some sort of unintentional conspiracy among the gay sub-culture to bully people into being gay? No, I don’t hold that idea as valid. That there is still present a stigma attached to homosexuals and this stigma is being used as a weapon to bully other kids with and with this type of bullying having a side-effect of making some kids think they are homosexual or bisexual? Yeah, I do hold that idea to be valid in principle. Beat a kid with the idea that they are X enough times and they eventually believe they are X (X- stupid, a screw up, worthless, criminal, slutty, homosexual, etc).

And yes, there is still a stigma attached to being a homosexual, and no, its just not those who are homophobic who embrace this stigma- Gay boys are naturally assumed to want to be the Queen of the Prom, gay girls the King, Gay men are effeminate, good with “girly” stuff, Gay women are butch and good with “guy” stuff, etc.
 
Advancing the agenda was exactly what the people quoted in the OP article promised that they would do.
:doh2:

I can’t stand it when people use tragedy to try and advance an agenda! :mad:

In that case:
  1. NO ONE has a monopoly on grief, suffering and tragedy and
  2. Suicide is a SELFISH sin. :mad:
EOM.
 
That there is some sort of unintentional conspiracy among the gay sub-culture to bully people into being gay? No, I don’t hold that idea as valid. That there is still present a stigma attached to homosexuals and this stigma is being used as a weapon to bully other kids with and with this type of bullying having a side-effect of making some kids think they are homosexual or bisexual? Yeah, I do hold that idea to be valid in principle. Beat a kid with the idea that they are X enough times and they eventually believe they are X (X- stupid, a screw up, worthless, criminal, slutty, homosexual, etc).

And yes, there is still a stigma attached to being a homosexual, and no, its just not those who are homophobic who embrace this stigma- Gay boys are naturally assumed to want to be the Queen of the Prom, gay girls the King, Gay men are effeminate, good with “girly” stuff, Gay women are butch and good with “guy” stuff, etc.
I’m not sure that bullying is the same thing as pushing a homosexual agenda. Honestly, the single most surprising thing to me as I went back to working with college age people after 20 years removed from that environment is how accepting of homosexuality they were and how they did not put the same stereotypes on it that my generation did. I don’t see what you do at that age at least.
 
That there is some sort of unintentional conspiracy among the gay sub-culture to bully people into being gay? No, I don’t hold that idea as valid. That there is still present a stigma attached to homosexuals and this stigma is being used as a weapon to bully other kids with and with this type of bullying having a side-effect of making some kids think they are homosexual or bisexual? Yeah, I do hold that idea to be valid in principle. Beat a kid with the idea that they are X enough times and they eventually believe they are X (X- stupid, a screw up, worthless, criminal, slutty, homosexual, etc).

And yes, there is still a stigma attached to being a homosexual, and no, its just not those who are homophobic who embrace this stigma- Gay boys are naturally assumed to want to be the Queen of the Prom, gay girls the King, Gay men are effeminate, good with “girly” stuff, Gay women are butch and good with “guy” stuff, etc.
You have to remember though that the Catholic Church makes a definite distinction between same sex attraction and the acting out of the disorder by engaging in genital contact and mutual masturbation with one of the same sex. There will always be a stigma attached to sodomy because the bible condemns it as sinful,
 
Who ‘bullies’ teens into making this decision?
People who think it matters ALOT!
…The LGBTQ lobby, as you call it? Teens themselves generally come to realize what their sexual preference is.
According to the article, "…When I was 14, I learned what transgender meant"

From whom did a 14 year old boy “learn” this lie that sex/life would be better if he wasn’t a female “trapped” in a mans body?

How would having artificial breasts and a fake vagina improve this persons sexual identity other than being camouflage so that he can pretend to have (guilt-free?) “heterosexual sex” with men.
(Or ‘lesbian’ sex with other women.)
…And what do GAY teens have to do with TRANSGENDER teens who have gender dysphoria, which gay teens do not have?
What difference does it make? Why do you want to segregate and put people into categories?
That’s kind of hypocritical of you.
…Lesbian teens. Gay teens. Transgender teens. Questioning teens. Bi-curious teens. Cross-dressing teens. Effeminate boys. Butch girls.
The only difference here is that these are not adults deciding for themselves.

Is it any wonder young people are suffering from “gender dysphoria” and questioning their sexuality these days?
 
You have to remember though that the Catholic Church makes a definite distinction between same sex attraction and the acting out of the disorder by attempting genital contact with one of the same sex. There will always be a stigma attached to sodomy because the bible condemns it as sinful,
I’m not forgetting the differences between being homosexual and engaging in homosexual activity. The stigma I am referring to applies to both, and given the selective stigma applied to heterosexual activity outside of marriage (i.e. girls and women are sluts, boys and men are just “sowing their wild oats”) one can hardly argue that either stigma is justified. It would be different if all sexual activity outside of marriage and all parties involved in said activities had a similar stigma attached to them (and here just for their activities, not because of who they are).
 
No on here would understand the implication of “slam” – certaine moi, are you truly intent on using this tragedy to further your political ends?
I had misread the year of your joining as if it were 2014. That is, I was identifying your account creation as the previous day, not as one year ago. acting as a respondent for SGMS and identifying both of you, actually, as joining only within the last few days - I was drawn to a false conclusion about why you had joined only one day ago - and posted only to one thread.

It seems your archive, in which I noted only three posts, is actually rather large. Odd, that you seemed to have had only three posts, also. Confounded databases, eh?
 
How would having artificial breasts and a fake vagina improve this persons sexual identity other than being camouflage so that he can pretend to have (guilt-free?) “heterosexual sex” with men. (Or ‘lesbian’ sex with other women.)
You mean homosexual sex with a male or heterosexual sex with a female since your argument is that these fake body parts don’t actually change the person’s gender

What difference does it make? Why do you want to segregate and put people into categories?
That’s kind of hypocritical of you.
…Lesbian teens. Gay teens. Transgender teens. Questioning teens. Bi-curious teens. Cross-dressing teens. Effeminate boys. Butch girls.
The only difference here is that these are not adults deciding for themselves.
Because gender and sexual attraction are two different things. It’s rather hard to treat or counsel anyone if one doesn’t bother to identify correctly what disorders they have. A person could very well have a gender disorder but not a sexual attraction disorder, or just a sexual attraction disorder, or have both, or have neither.
 
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