Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

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The media has been saying very astutely that it was (at least) very unusual, irresponsible and unethical of his lawyers to be making statements to the effect that they think their former client is “menstally unstable.” Also by implying he could be a flight risk.

Violates the attorney—client privilege. Possibly.

Also, their client has been contacting the DA on his own------going beyond his lawyers’s advice. Divulging that also goes against the attorney-client privilege.

He also is apparently no longer in Florida.

The DA has just staed there will be a decision within the next 72 hours.

Looks like GZ’s actions may have speeded up the process somewhat. IF (aagain, IF) GZ is indicted, I sure hope GZ gives himself up and does not do anything “stupid.” :rolleyes:

Question:

Nobody has really asked or considered this: WHY would TM attack GZ? For no apparent reason? A guy who has been following him for 10 minutes or more?

And how do we even know for certain that TM was the one that attacked first? GZ’s account is contradicted somewhat by (or at least appears to) TM’s girlfriend’s account. “What are you doing here” and then a bump-------what has been determined what happened there?

Just like there has been a rush to judgement on GZ’s part, there has been a rush to judgement regarding TM as well.
 
ringil said:
The lawyers also mentioned his emotional health. Media attention can really get to people. Hopefully he hasn’t done anything rash.
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Don’t you think the attorneys did their former client no favors by speculating as to his mental state and other actions covered by the attorney/client privilege?

Like I heard an attorney said on TV a short time ago…“You don’t put your client out there like that.”

Yep. 👍👍
 
ringil said:
The lawyers also mentioned his emotional health. Media attention can really get to people. Hopefully he hasn’t done anything rash.
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That thought crossed my mind too. Hmm. I hope he is okay.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
Don’t you think the attorneys did their former client no favors by speculating as to his mental state and other actions covered by the attorney/client privilege?

Like I heard an attorney said on TV a short time ago…“You don’t put your client out there like that.”

Yep. 👍👍
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I didn’t think of that. You may be right. But would they risk losing their license to practice law? That would be a huge deal, and to have it on national TV.

Just gets weirder and weirder.
 
ringil said:
I didn’t think of that. You may be right. But would they risk losing their license to practice law? That would be a huge deal, and to have it on national TV.

Just gets weirder and weirder.
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Just think this will speed up the DA’s decision, in one way or another.

And some people are just stupid-----sorry.

Yep.
 
So, Zimmerman talks to his neighbor, but not his attorneys? This is getting more and more odd.

"Neighbor: George Zimmerman called me
Frank Taaffe tells Local 6 he spoke to Zimmerman after grand jury announcement

SANFORD, Fla. - In the midst of attorneys saying they couldn’t reach George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman who shot and killed Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman’s neighbor says he talked to him Monday."…

Blue excerpt from: clickorlando.com/news/Neighbor-George-Zimmerman-called-me/-/1637132/10440640/-/q41ybg/-/index.html
 
Hi, OrdinaryMelkite,

Excellent post!

I think there really are elements of vigilantism in this case that are coming to light! But, maybe not quite what you had in mind… :eek: The actions taken by Martin/Zimmerman happened over a few minutes - from everything I have seen, less than 15 minutes passed from the time of the first 9-1-1 call to Martin dying.

Now contrast that tragic event with of the so-called “New Black Panthers” offering a $10,000 bounty for Zimmerman npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/26/149399082/new-black-panther-party-offers-10k-bounty-for-george-zimmerman which took place with sufficient time to deliberate, raise the money and hold a press conference to announce their form of ‘vigilantism’, with the ‘…eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth…’ statement.

Think about it. People who inflame passions and incite riots and mob rule are not serving the cause of Justice for anyone. And, that’s the way it is - unless anarchy is to rule.

God bless
OrdinaryMelkite said:
I promised myself I would not comment on this case because last time I did it upset me terribly----(I lean towards the Martin side, to be clear upfront), but I think your comments warrants a response------

Let me ask you this-----

Does the fact that this case may REALLY be about vigilantism and the tendency of our society towards condoning or at least rationalizing it away justify the coverage shown it and also points to this also going beyond this being a mere"every occurrence?"

Or are you one of those whom I’ve unfortunately encountered here who SEEM to think that the state of our nation security and crime-wise justify condoning folks going “beyond the pale” in answering possible threats?

IOW, “at least we will not be afraid anymore?” :rolleyes::rolleyes:😊🤷
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OrdinaryMelkite said:
Question:

Nobody has really asked or considered this: WHY would TM attack GZ? For no apparent reason? A guy who has been following him for 10 minutes or more?

And how do we even know for certain that TM was the one that attacked first? GZ’s account is contradicted somewhat by (or at least appears to) TM’s girlfriend’s account. “What are you doing here” and then a bump-------what has been determined what happened there?

Just like there has been a rush to judgement on GZ’s part, there has been a rush to judgement regarding TM as well.
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Probably because we don’t have the information to make decisions like this. For instance, if Zimmerman attacked Martin first, one would expect a bruise or cut on Martin. But we don’t know if there are any. If none, that would weigh more for Zimmerman’s story. But unfortunately, even if there was a bruise or cut, it wouldn’t prove Zimmerman attacked first, because it could still be from self defense from when Zimmerman was being beaten. We don’t know. The incident appeared to happen about 3 houses away from Zimmerman’s truck. No one’s discussed that, but does that mean anything? There are so many more facts involved here that we don’t have access to. And we shouldn’t at this point. If too much is revealed, it would be easier for an “eye witness” to create a story that seems believable. Just think of the money they could make in interviews or even books, by suddenly being the eye witness.

It’s fun to analyze the case and talk about it. But we must never forget that our talk can lead others to violence, destroy reputations, maybe cause death. We need to be careful and charitable in everything we write.
 
I’m still surprised at the racist overtones on a “Catholic” forum. I realize that not everyone is acting that way here, but reading through this thread, I feel that I have read some racist remarks. It’s a real religious turn off.
 
Et_Cetera said:
I’m still surprised at the racist overtones on a “Catholic” forum. I realize that not everyone is acting that way here, but reading through this thread, I feel that I have read some racist remarks. It’s a real religious turn off.
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I tried to refrain from making any reference to the races of these two individuals because I believe this case can be dealt with without considering the races of TM and GZ. I believe some people do actually see this incident as simply a disproportionate use of force. The fact that the media initially portrayed TM as a very small boy, elevated this ordeal. Notwithstanding, an adult taking away the life of an unarmed teenager (whose life is worth more than that of an adult) calls for concern without any reference to skin colour. We can disagree on the excessive use of force opinion still without caring on how they look like.

If reference is always made to race whenever an incidence between persons of different ethnic groups occur, then …🤷

I think it’s still a huge problem in some societies. There still seems to be a lot of suspicions and hidden tensions amongst folks. I mean, this is not even a matter between the races of the TM and GZ or?

This race thing is a big problem with a difficult solution. But if the society does not start working on fixing these differences, as someone hinted, it can only get worse before ever getting better.
 
kelvinf said:
I tried to refrain from making any reference to the races of these two individuals because I believe this case can be dealt with without considering the races of TM and GZ. I believe some people do actually see this incident as simply a disproportionate use of force. The fact that the media initially portrayed TM as a very small boy, elevated this ordeal. Notwithstanding, an adult taking away the life of an unarmed teenager (whose life is worth more than that of an adult) calls for concern without any reference to skin colour. We can disagree on the excessive use of force opinion still without caring on how they look like.

If reference is always made to race whenever an incidence between persons of different ethnic groups occur, then …🤷

I think it’s still a huge problem in some societies. There still seems to be a lot of suspicions and hidden tensions amongst folks. I mean, this is not even a matter between the races of the TM and GZ or?

This race thing is a big problem with a difficult solution. But if the society does not start working on fixing these differences, as someone hinted, it can only get worse before ever getting better.
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What an odd thing to say. This incident is truly a tragedy, but why would one of the two lives be of greater value? Which one did God love more?
 
rlg94086 said:
What an odd thing to say. This incident is truly a tragedy, but why would one of the two lives be of greater value? Which one did God love more?
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It’s not odd. The lives of women, children and the young or older in general, are worth more than those of us adult males. This can be clearly seen in any rescue operation, I believe. Or would you rescue an adult male before a teenager? Which one did God love more? I don’t know; he will love the one who was ‘lost’ more (cf. Lk 15: 4-7). He’s the only one who has that ability to give you a precise answer. But what I said still holds true in man’s view.
 
kelvinf said:
It’s not odd. The lives of women, children and the young or older in general, are worth more than those of us adult males. This can be clearly seen in any rescue operation, I believe. Or would you rescue an adult male before a teenager? Which one did God love more? I don’t know; he will love the one who was ‘lost’ more (cf. Lk 15: 4-7). He’s the only one who has that ability to give you a precise answer. But what I said still holds true in man’s view.
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This wasn’t a rescue operation where “women and children first” applies. Every life is equally precious to Our Lord, and what you said does not hold true. It was odd and a little creepy in the context of this tragedy.
 
rlg94086 said:
This wasn’t a rescue operation where “women and children first” applies. Every life is equally precious to Our Lord, and what you said does not hold true. It was odd and a little creepy in the context of this tragedy.
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If what I said was offensive in this context, then I humbly withdraw the statement.
 
CatholicGOPer said:
Give me a break. The kid was so wonderful that he got suspended from school. He was a tall kid, walking where he shouldn’t be, dressed like a hoodlum, and decided to harass a man who happened to have a gun. You spins the wheel you takes you chances. Its a good lesson for these other wannabee “gangstas” waliking the streets

Why were his parents letting him roam the streets instead of having him study to get back in school?

Its a tragedy for sure, but the kid is a victim of his own stupidity and a society that glorifies hoodlum behavior

This whole story is nothing but race baiting.,
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Lujack said:
He didn’t go to prison. He got suspended from school.

God forbid, he was TALL!

Why shouldn’t he have been there? The person whose house he was going to lived a few blocks away.

You mean in a hoodie? The sort of thing that people wear to keep warm and keep the rain off their head?

I think its in dispute who did the harassing.

Wow. Tell us how you really feel about black people.

Not your business, first of all, but presumably he went to get a snack.

He certainly was stupid to believe that he could wear a hoodie on a cold night in the rain and not get shot. And hoodlum isn’t the word I’d use to describe George Martin; overzealous vigilantism, maybe.

Its nothing but race baiting, but its a good lesson to all those [black and hispanic] “wannabe gangsters” walking the street, right?

Tall black kids need to learn to stay out your neighborhoods, huh?
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You are a perfect example of why kids are all screwed up these days

And BTW: I never mentioned his color, you race baitor
Charlotte408 said:
Notice how you had to insert the ‘black and hispanic’ references into his posts…
As if only black and hispanic kids are trying to be ‘gangstas’ these days :rolleyes:
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Lujack is a tyical leftwing racebaitor
 
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