Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

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Dawnia said:
That’s a stretch. Last I checked even people killed in self-defense or by accident can’t act as witnesses.
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They can, however, give evidence; there are folks doing long stretches behind bars who didn’t know that. 😉
 
Vincent_N said:
It’s not strange at all. Death is a fact of life. Biologically, one is always silent after death and killing someone always is effective in silencing them.

Let’s not be uncharitable.
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Fine. Let’s not insist that there are no reliable witnesses
who rebuke Zimmerman’s story since the one who could
and did witness, up close and personal, is dead by the
hands of the one presenting his view of “facts.”

To neglect to mention that fact is to shade all the facts.
 
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catharina:
Fine. Let’s not insist that there are no reliable witnesses
who rebuke Zimmerman’s story since the one who could
and did witness, up close and personal, is dead by the
hands of the one presenting his view of “facts.”

To neglect to mention that fact is to shade all the facts.
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It would make more sense if you had used the past tense. Then you could throw in a little subjunctive case, some exclamation points, a few emoticons and we would have ourselves some bonafide conjecture.
 
Godfollower said:
Looks like he’s going to be charged:

news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/11/prosecutor-to-announce-decision-on-zimmerman/?hpt=hp_t1
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Based on this story, it looks like there will be some kind of announcement within the hour.
Florida Gov. Rick Scott has released a statement ahead of the special prosecutor’s news conference:
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“We are fortunate in our state that most Floridians and local civic leaders are law-abiding, responsible citizens who all want justice to prevail. No matter what State Attorney (Angela) Corey determines following her investigation of the Trayvon Martin tragedy, I trust in the goodness of all Florida citizens to allow our justice system to reach an appropriate conclusion in this case.”
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I couldn’t agree more.
 
Vincent_N said:
It would make more sense if you had used the past tense. Then you could throw in a little subjunctive case, some exclamation points, a few emoticons and we would have ourselves some bonafide conjecture.
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If/when a bona fide, potential witness is killed - that’s relevant, IMO.
Not in your opinion? OK then; helpful to know that.
 
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catharina:
If/when a bona fide, potential witness is killed - that’s relevant, IMO.
Not in your opinion? OK then; helpful to know that.
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I don’t care to speculate. The fact is Trayvon Martin is not a witness to the investigation. By itself it does not constitute an argument to discount any other witnesses’ accounts.
 
Dawnia said:
He was killed because he was a witness to his own murder? Uh huh.
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I don’t know why he was killed; neither do you.
If he had not died from a gunshot wound, he
would have been a primary witness to events.

Dead? He’s now unavailable.
 
Vincent_N said:
Absurd. GZ shot TM in self defense when retreat was not possible. This has never been refuted.
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Vincent_N said:
I don’t care to speculate. The fact is Trayvon Martin is not a witness to the investigation. By itself it does not constitute an argument to discount any other witnesses’ accounts.
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First post quoted above is primary example of your speculation.
 
Dawnia said:
He was killed because he was a witness to his own murder? Uh huh.
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Are you aware that such ‘killings’ to prevent reports of any
criminal activities (such as assault) happen every day?

Guess not.
 
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catharina:
First post quoted above is primary example of your speculation.
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Nonsense. You’re digging up an earlier post to a different poster. What I stated is an answer to your question If/when a bona fide, potential witness is killed - that’s relevant, IMO.
Not in your opinion?

As far as my previous statement that you quote. That’s what the investigation has yielded and it’s where we are right now. It could change soon if the prosecutor releases new information that causes it to change.
 
iamrefreshed said:
I’m saying that he deserves his due process and absolutely should not be charged simply because people want it.
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To me, IMO, Corey does not look like a DA who is pressured by ANYONE to charge anyone.

She is known as an extremely tough, aggressive prosecutor who not too long ago was criticized for charging (and convicting) a 12-year old as an adult.

Let me ask you this-----since we are into the strict idea of “evidence”-----what evidence is there that Corey was pressured into this?

Maybe she wants to be the next legal star for personal (maybe political) reasons?

Are you saying then there is NO legitimate evidence and reason to charge Zimmerman?
 
Vincent_N said:
Nonsense. You’re digging up an earlier post to a different poster. What I stated is an answer to your question If/when a bona fide, potential witness is killed - that’s relevant, IMO.
Not in your opinion?

As far as my previous statement that you quote. That’s what where we’ve been and are at right now. It could change soon if the prosecutor releases new information that causes it to change.
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Opinions are formed over a continuum of time.
Comments are made over a continuum of time.

Re your posts: one thing led to another.
I did no digging. All was as fresh as the morn.

PS - it’s the way that most forums work.
No mystery, no digging.
1 + 1 = 2
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
I hate to be a party-pooper here and go against the nice conversation , but now that Zimmerman is going to be charged, I just KNOW that folks are going to say “he’s not going to get a fair trial--------just let him go. Miscarriage of justice for him to be charged.”

Like DA Corey has NO reason to charge him. No evidence. Plain as day and obvious it is the way Zimmerman said it was. :rolleyes:
Would any of you feel the same way if it was the other way around amd Martin was being chrged with killing neighborhood watch captain GZ?

BTW----sorry if I sound sarcastic here----I just feel that, just like many have already made up their minds about TM’s “guilt,” **many have already made up their mind about GZ’s “innocence.” **
The rush to judgement has been on BOTH sides here.

Look, I admit I tend to lean towards the TM side of things, I admit it----but I’m also open to have my mind changed by any evidence presented at the trial.
Let’s see how the trial works out. 👍

I’m interested in how the defense is going to spin the “stand your ground” defense---------especially since the guy who pushed the law through AND Jeb Bush both say GZ is not covered under it-----who knows? Will be interested in finding out. 🤷:o
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In the United States, the accused enjoy the presumption of innocence. The prosecutor must “prove beyond a reasonable doubt” his guilt.
 
BBC:
Florida neighbourhood watch volunteer to face second degree murder charge over Trayvon Martin killing, official says
 
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