Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries

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Calgar said:
What civil suit? Doesn’t Florida law prevent civil suits in self-defense shootings?
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*Fla. Stat. § 776.032. Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
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If Zimmerman is acquitted of criminal charges, the Martin family civil case is dead in the water.
 
seekerz said:
I agree that guns don’t give superpowers, but surely if you’re following a ‘suspicious’ person, your weapon surely is not far from your reach or your mind. How on earth then do you find yourself fighting for your life.

BTW, how exactly does one decide to turn one’s back on said ‘suspicious’ person? Maybe this is not about guns at all but about the gun holders…?
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A gun is a weapon of last resort. If you pull it prior to being in a life threatening situation, there are serious legal and criminal consequences for doing so.

But I may have been wrong on the superpower thing.🤷 There is a new study out that says that others perceive you as bigger and stronger than you really are if you’re carrying a gun. news.yahoo.com/people-carrying-guns-may-appear-bigger-210313387.html 😛
 
SwizzleStick said:
I noticed that at one point (not in this article) she said “they” killed my son and “they” are trying to ruin his reputation. In that instance, she may have just been speaking imprecisely because of this awful time in her life, because of her awful loss. Too, maybe on some level she feels that rather than one man, or possibly two, being responsible, “they” are responsible for her loss. I don’t know. I noticed that instance and wondered about it. But, she just told us that she thinks it was an accident, which may help this nation go toward healing.

In this article the small thing I did notice as a mom was the use of “that that” rather than “that he” or “that Trayvon,” but I think that usage may have helped her get the words out without tears. All I know is that I wouldn’t want my own vocabulary scrutinized because my vocabulary and grammar just aren’t that good. 🙂

I would guess she has an attorney helping her with prepared statements because that would make sense, but that is pure speculation on my part. Bottom line, the vocabulary didn’t give me pause.
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I noticed ‘minor’ instead of ‘child’.
 
SwizzleStick said:
I noticed that at one point (not in this article) she said “they” killed my son and “they” are trying to ruin his reputation. In that instance, she may have just been speaking imprecisely because of this awful time in her life, because of her awful loss. Too, maybe on some level she feels that rather than one man being responsible, “they” are responsible for her loss. I don’t know. I noticed that instance and wondered about it. But, she just told us that she thinks it was an accident, which may help this nation go toward healing.
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Here is what I find odd.

On the one hand the parents, through their lawyers, have said they disavow the race baiting going on. On the other hand they have aligned themselves with the very people doing that like Sharpton.

In fact, when I was watching the news the other day they showed a clip of a congresswoman Frederica Wilson who said Trayvon was hunted down like an rabid dog and racially profiled and who is standing right behind her, the mother of Trayvon. And who is standing right next to them, Al Sharpton.

Here is the you tube video

And who started this whole race baiting mess, the father is on record stating he called his SIL ( a lawyer herself) and she called civil rights lawyer Ben Crump who got Sharpton et all on the case.
 
Cider said:
Here is what I find odd.

On the one hand the parents, through their lawyers, have said they disavow the race baiting going on. On the other hand they have aligned themselves with the very people doing that like Sharpton.

In fact, when I was watching the news the other day they showed a clip of a congresswoman Frederica Wilson who said Trayvon was hunted down like an rabid dog and racially profiled and who is standing right behind her, the mother of Trayvon. And who is standing right next to them, Al Sharpton.

Here is the you tube video

And who started this whole race baiting mess, the father is on record stating he called his SIL ( a lawyer herself) and she called civil rights lawyer Ben Crump who got Sharpton et all on the case.
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This whole sordid mess is a prefabricated solution that was looking for a problem. The Zimmerman and Martin meet and the “problem” allows Al Sharpton and Michael Bloomberg to uncrate their prefabricated race baiting and gun control solutions on everyone.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
This whole sordid mess is a prefabricated solution that was looking for a problem. The Zimmerman and Martin meet and the “problem” allows Al Sharpton and Michael Bloomberg to uncrate their prefabricated race baiting and gun control solutions on everyone.
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Well yes, that is why I’ll never live in NY, their gun laws are draconian.
 
vz71 said:
I noticed ‘minor’ instead of ‘child’.
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That was the first slant in the case, that Martin was called a “child” instead of a minor. He was 17 years old, not legally a “child,” but the media held onto that as long as they possibly could.
 
Calgar said:
What makes you think someone who carries a gun is a “gun lover”?

I work with many men who don’t like guns at all, but carry one because they feel they have to.
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To a lib, anyone who owns a gun is a “gun lover.” That’s a pejorative to them, obviously.

:rolleyes:
 
TheRealJuliane said:
That was the first slant in the case, that Martin was called a “child” instead of a minor. He was 17 years old, not legally a “child,” but the media held onto that as long as they possibly could.
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So now the media or the court decide who a child is? In my family, a child includes anyone in high school/college whose age still ends in teen. And I know we are not unique.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Better that than living with the paranoia that permeates the gun culture. 🤷
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Amen to that. I’d rather live in a place where the police were the only ones with guns because even if they were trigger-happy, I’d see them coming from a mile away and know to be on my guard.

When any random hothead in a t-shirt can shoot me, go “oops” and then head home for dinner and a shower, that’s reason enough to be less scared of the cops.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
To a lib, anyone who owns a gun is a “gun lover.” That’s a pejorative to them, obviously.
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Correct myself. I should have said anyone who carries one.

I myself own two shotguns, shoot skeet, and have hunted ducks here in Arkansas along the Mississippi Flyway.
 
Cider said:
Well yes, that is why I’ll never live in NY, their gun laws are draconian.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_Act

“Named for its primary legislative sponsor, state senator Timothy Sullivan, a notoriously corrupt Tammany Hall politician, it dates to 1911, and is still in force, making it one of the older existing gun control laws in the United States.”

The history of gun control and the history of political corruption and ties to organized crime travel the same path.
 
vz71 said:
I noticed ‘minor’ instead of ‘child’.
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Hmm. I see what you are saying. So many people keep calling Martin a child. Personally, I think minor applies because I don’t view a 17-year old as a child, though I might call a 17-year old a “kid.” I have two 17-year old nephews and sometimes they still seem like kids to me because 17 is young, but they are really young men, not children. Legally, at least in some cases, I think they can be considered adults.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
To a lib, anyone who owns a gun is a “gun lover.” That’s a pejorative to them, obviously.

:rolleyes:
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Who knows, perhaps Zimmerman was a gun enthuseist. But so what?

People are trying to turn firearm ownership into proof of evil intent.
 
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