Trayvon Martin: 'Shoot first' law under scrutiny

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GaryTaylor said:
By all means let us focus on that. What about the hype of media and 17-yo boys life lost and the grieving family. Lets not worry about that.

75% of America are not worried about their “character” results are the concern. Of a situation that first of all should have never occured then went completely South once it did.
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Yes. It’s perfectly clear the event should NEVER have happened.
 
If Zimmerman’s account is true that he lost sight of Martin and was walking back to his vehicle when he was approached from behind, then it is Martin who initiated the confrontation.
 
Seamus_L said:
If Zimmerman’s account is true that he lost sight of Martin and was walking back to his vehicle when he was approached from behind, then it is Martin who initiated the confrontation.
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Why was he out OF HIS VEHICLE?

WHY WASN’T HE AT THE DESIGNATED SPOT 911 SUGGESTED TO MEET THE POLICE?
WHY DID HE SAY THE POLICE SHOULD CALL HIM TO LEARN HIS LOCATION.

ZIMMERMAN HAD A VEHICLE THAT WOULD KEEP HIM COZY DRY AND SAFE.
Guess he decided he needed some action.
 
catharina said:
George’s character?

He thinks he knows better than 911’s advisor.
He’s a grown man who did his own thing and and killed a child.
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Your quick to judge. Do you know Zimmerman? Start listening to his friends and the witnesses. You have blinders on to that.

I know law enforcement well. It not all cut and dry.
 
Seamus_L said:
If Zimmerman’s account is true that he lost sight of Martin and was walking back to his vehicle when he was approached from behind, then it is Martin who initiated the confrontation.
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Well by the logic proposed here about “fear” I would say the boy was scared. Probly for his life. Fight and Flight are basic human response’s to “fear”. Did he not have the right to confront Zimmerman as a civilian arrest of a stalker? Then why did Zimmerman have the right?

Point being he should not have been placed in a situation of being in fear, by a man who didn’t even represent himself as Block Watch. Didn’t even have a shirt on to imply any such thing? And the gun well that was probly much to everyones surprise once everything jumped off. That is except Mr Zimmerman
 
johnnyjones said:
Many know nothing of Zimmermans charactor but have placed themselves at the scene and made him the bad guy. Remember how sickened we were with the Duke Lacross situation (among others). Those guys looked guilty beyond belief and it turned out it all wasn’t what it seemed. Give it time. Stop feeding into the medias hype.
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catharina said:
George’s character?

He thinks he knows better than 911’s advisor.
He’s a grown man who did his own thing and and killed a child.
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I think that is what is called “case in point.”
 
johnnyjones said:
your quick to judge. Do you know zimmerman? Start listening to his friends and the witnesses. You have blinders on to that.

I know law enforcement well. It not all cut and dry.
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he went his own way, did his own thing and killed a child.
What else is there? The dept that found him so innocent
collapsed under the weight of its own racism a year ago.
 
If a car was following me down the street and I became aware of it. My blood would start pumping. And yes I would turn and confront the man. However I wouldn’t hit him, But I am a senior and not a scared 17 yo.

How about this boys Character? How should we judge that? The boy without the gun being followed by who knows what he thought?
 
GaryTaylor said:
If a car was following me down the street and I became aware of it. My blood would start pumping. And yes I would turn and confront the man. However I wouldn’t hit him, But I am a senior and not a scared 17 yo.

How about this boys Character? How should we judge that? The boy without the gun being followed by who knows what he thought?
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Complete agreement here.
I’m a senior too, 66 yrs old.
I’ve seen scenarios similar to this all of my life.

This probably one of the worst.
A child armed with skittles and an iced tea?

Gimme a break.
 
catharina said:
i DOUBT IT.
i NEVER BELIEVED THE STORY.

a DEAD CHILD? i BELIEVE THE STORY.
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AGAIN, you’ve made yourself judge and jury. What you BELIEVE is irrelevant. Theres been a lot of dead children hit by stray gunfire by black “boys”. If this is your issue get on line and start ranting about that.
 
johnnyjones said:
And maybe you would have sent all those Duke lacross guys to the gallows based on the initial accounts.
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:confused:

You read my post wrong.

You said
Many know nothing of Zimmerman’s character but have placed themselves at the scene and made him the bad guy.
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You received the reply
He thinks he knows better than 911’s advisor.
He’s a grown man who did his own thing and and killed a child.
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Case in point.

As in, that poster made your point. People that know nothing about Zimmerman, but have tried, convicted and sentenced him. 🤷
 
Also, no one wants to listen to the guy who shot him. The kid jumped him, gave him a broken nose and was bashing his head onto the sidewalk, and apparently there is a witness to this. So then, the guy shot him. The kid obviously knew the guy was watching him, and this ticked him off, but wasn’t that Zimmerman’s job as a neighborhood watchman?

The kid in question wasn’t doing anything wrong before he jumped the guy, but that decision cost his life. How much different would it have been if the kid asked him why he was following him, rather than if he had a “problem”. What if he told him that he was visiting his father and went to the store to get a snack and told him which house his father lived in? All of this could have been resolved peacefully, if Zimmerman asked questions and the boy kept his cool.

The boy’s mother has applied to have his name trademarked. I have no idea if she wants to make a buck or do something constructive with the money she will make, but I hope it is the latter. What that would be, I do not know. When I read that, my heart fell. that is the last thing that would be on my mind to do less than a week from my kid’s death; but who knows, probably she has someone advising her to do it.
 
johnnyjones said:
AGAIN, you’ve made yourself judge and jury. What you BELIEVE is irrelevant. Theres been a lot of dead children hit by stray gunfire by black “boys”. If this is your issue get on line and start ranting about that.
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I lived more that forty yrs of my adult life in Chcago. I know what I know.
It is most often in black-on-black crime where innocents die.

Seeing a so-called neighborhood watch guy bring death
to an unarmed, child who was where he SHOULD have been is horrifying.
 
SamH said:
So if a woman is attacked on the street and shoots her attacker she’s guilty of murder for unequal force? In your “mind” she should have kept it hand to hand?
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So if an armed mugger attacks someone on the street, and that person fights back, the mugger is justified in shooting him?

Because from Trayvon’s point of view, Zimmerman was the predator.
 
coco2 said:
Also, no one wants to listen to the guy who shot him. The kid jumped him, gave him a broken nose and was bashing his head onto the sidewalk, and apparently there is a witness to this. So then, the guy shot him. The kid obviously knew the guy was watching him, and this ticked him off, but wasn’t that Zimmerman’s job as a neighborhood watchman?

The kid in question wasn’t doing anything wrong before he jumped the guy, but that decision cost his life. How much different would it have been if the kid asked him why he was following him, rather than if he had a “problem”. What if he told him that he was visiting his father and went to the store to get a snack and told him which house his father lived in? All of this could have been resolved peacefully, if Zimmerman asked questions and the boy kept his cool.

The boy’s mother has applied to have his name trademarked. I have no idea if she wants to make a buck or do something constructive with the money she will make, but I hope it is the latter. What that would be, I do not know. When I read that, my heart fell. that is the last thing that would be on my mind to do less than a week from my kid’s death; but who knows, probably she has someone advising her to do it.
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Again.

If an armed mugger attacks someone on the street, and that person fights back, is the mugger justified in shooting him?

Because from Trayvon’s point of view, Zimmerman was the predator.
 
catharina said:
I lived more that forty yrs of my adult life in Chcago. I know what I know.
It is most often in black-on-black crime where innocents die.

Seeing a so-called neighborhood watch guy bring death
to an unarmed, child who was where he SHOULD have been is horrifying.
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There you go you understand the inner city a bit. Following Black Kids in vehicles is indictive of drive by shootings. So without doubt he would have been at least concerned if not in the utmost fear of his own life. Least we forget who the victim is here.

I don’t believe anyone is “judging” Mr Zimmerman anymore than the boy. I do believe everyone who doesn’t see color would like the man arrested. Really its that simple.
 
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