Trayvon Martin: 'Shoot first' law under scrutiny

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sw85 said:
The problem, as I said, is that Zimmerman cannot be used of intentionally killing a child. Again, it is reasonable to conclude that someone 6’3" is not a child. Perhaps if it could somehow be shown that Zimmerman knew Martin beforehand, and knew his age, it might be possible to hold it against him.
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Who has said anything about Zimmerman intentionally killing a child?

So far: ONLY YOU.
 
fix said:
Only emphasizing one aspect of the truth while down playing the entire truth makes truth into a lie.
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I deepy resist anyone’s claim that this child was not A CHILD.

HE WAS A child.
YET DENY POSTERS DENY IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

SO VERY WRONG - ALMOST A TRAGEDY APART FROM THE CENTRAL ONE.
 
catharina said:
I deepy resist anyone’s claim that this child was not A CHILD.

HE WAS A child.
YET DENY POSTERS DENY IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

SO VERY WRONG - ALMOST A TRAGEDY APART FROM THE CENTRAL ONE.
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He is a "child’ by law but when hes punching you in the face it won’t feel like a child. In human terms I don’t think the family of a girl raped by a 17 year old would refer to him as the child.
 
We still don’t know that much. A timeline of events is here:
abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/trayvon-martin-case-timeline-of-events/

By the way, the photo on the top this linked page of Tryvon is when he was 12. The photo of Zimmerman is a mug shot from 2005. So both photos are deceptive.

A grand jury will be impanneled and we we find out if they feel there is enough to warrent an arrest in this case.

I would agree with a lot of what people have said on the threads. Trayvon was indeed at 17 still a child. The rest I will wait until all the facts come out. As they probably will in this case.

I tend to be more interested in how polarizing this case is.
 
gilliam said:
We still don’t know that much. A timeline of events is here:
abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/trayvon-martin-case-timeline-of-events/

By the way, the photo on the top this linked page of Tryvon is when he was 12. The photo of Zimmerman is a mug shot from 2005. So both photos are deceptive.

A grand jury will be impanneled and we we find out if they feel there is enough to warrent an arrest in this case.

I would agree with a lot of what people have said on the threads. Trayvon was indeed at 17 still a child. The rest I will wait until all the facts come out. As they probably will in this case.

I tend to be more interested in how polarizing this case is.
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Yes he was a “child” but you can still defend yourself against him/her.
 
57classic said:
Which is exactly why it is a month later and George Zimmerman was not and has not been arrested. The police know more about this than the MSM, bloggers, posters and protesters combined. They did not have to release all their evidence and now it will make no difference to those who are looking for a reason to hate.
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I agree.
 
VeritasLuxMea said:
Fact 1: One man shoots another man, killing him. You know who the killer is. That alone should be an arrest on the spot. You clear up self-defense claims later.

Fact 2: Killer was armed, victim was not.

Fact 3: Killer pursued victim, victim did not pursue killer.

It might help to leave race out of this and just focus on the facts. One man, armed, pursues another man, unarmed, then shoots and kills him. That’s PLENTY for an arrest.

The fact that the victim used marijuana in the past is entirely irrelevant. Heck, it probably wouldn’t even be relevant if he was CARRYING marijuana at the time.
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Correction:
One of those “men” was a boy, not a man.
 
57classic said:
Which is exactly why it is a month later and George Zimmerman was not and has not been arrested. The police know more about this than the MSM, bloggers, posters and protesters combined. They did not have to release all their evidence and now it will make no difference to those who are looking for a reason to hate.
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The State of FL would have to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that Zimmerman did not shoot Trayvon in self defense. The evidence actually shows otherwise (no matter what really did occur) so I don’t know how they prove their case. But I guess we will see how this plays out.
 
SamH said:
My account
  1. Martin sees Zimmerman watching him from a vehicle
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While Z is calling 911, M is “checking out houses” and even comes to Z’s truck and checks him out, according to Z’s recorded 911 call.
  1. Martin sees Zimmerman is on his phone and runs from him.
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  1. Zimmerman attempts to follow him on foot but is advised not to by 911 operator
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“We don’t need you to do that” at 2’26"
Z responds “OK” at 2’28"
  1. Zimmerman loses sight of Martin returns to his truck,
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Z says “He ran” at 2’34"
  1. Martin circles around and stalks Zimmerman from behind while Zimmerman continues conversation with 911 operator. Martin probably hears Zimmerman is talking police and is angered by it.
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  1. Zimmerman puts phone away as he approaches truck and Martin confronts him then attacks him.
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From 2’34" when Z says “He ran”, he keeps talking to the 911 operator and finishes conversation at 4’01".

This Martin kid had almost one and a half minute (from 2’34" to 4’01") to get away and enter his father’s apartment if he was truly scared and/or had a peaceful purpose. But, after Z lost sight of him and stayed on the phone an extra minute-and-a-half, M came back to confront Z - at least according to Z’s account.

If Z’s account is true, Martin was looking for some sort of confrontation at this point.
 
johnnyjones said:
I understand your position. I’m not really sure how the incident changes because Martin was a year short of 18. Of course it’s tragic that he was young and had a life in front of him but what if Martin was 18? This incident would still be a hot button one because of how race was interjected. You make a valid point. As well though, would you call a 17 year old who busted up your face a “child?” I don’t think I would be saying a child broke my nose. May the Lord welcome Trayvon into the Kingdom Of Heaven if it be his will.
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The laws of this nation consider Trayvon a boy.
He was NOT 18 and speculation re that amounts to nothing.
 
catharina said:
The laws of this nation consider Trayvon a boy.
He was NOT 18 and speculation re that amounts to nothing.
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Can a boy kill? As well, you may need to examine if the age would make a difference. Is the speculation so damaging to you?
 
donsnow said:
Hi,

Well, I should have clarified that I didn’t feel like reading 90 pages of posts before I waded in. I did go to the first page of the original thread and read the OP article.

Really, within reason, (20 pages or so) I will usually read all the posts on a thread before I post. So, you have a good point there.

God’s love,
Don
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Thank you again, Don,
and again God bless you.
 
Seamus_L said:
I agree with Classic57, it’s been over a month now, and the Sanford police, who have more details of this case than all of us combined, still have not come up with probable cause to arrest George Zimmerman. And that in despite of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Barack Obama’s recent comments on the case.
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Racists like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are getting everybody so incredibly hyped up (nothing new there), that it’s probably in Zimmerman’s best interest to remain in hiding.
 
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