Trayvon Martin: 'Shoot first' law under scrutiny

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You read it wrong. Probably with bias thinking. Thats a cop calling in a description. Descriptions aren’t profiling. 17 years law enforcement, don’t insult me.
It’s certainly a thankless job. Expected to be everywhere at once, criticized for “not being there”, or “not being there in time”, having any action scrutinized to the Nth degree, and still coming out with the short end of the stick.

I wouldn’t take that job, for any amount of money, but thank you for doing so!
 
Maybe I am using the word wrong. Isn’t a hoodie essentially a sweatshirt with a hood attached? How does that protect someone in the rain? 🤷 Not a big deal, it really doesn’t matter.

Your claim is that a private citizen used race to decide if someone was suspicious.

The problem is, when he reported the crime, he gave the information about Martin, including race only when asked.
And, the reason for his call (or for that other string of calls I linked to earlier in the thread) was? A black kid, he didn’t know walking around in a hoodie…scratch that, he might not have noticed the kid until they asked him, right? So, he called because?
 
Heres the rest of the article, a bit extrodinary if you ask me. But hey I hear thats how its goes in the county:thumbsup:

"Zimmerman, 28, appears to be a burly, powerfully built man. He is clad in red and black fleece jacket and his face and head are cleanly shaven. The absence of hair on his head and face would make injuries and blood easier to see if he had any.

The initial police report said Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose after the shooting. He was treated by paramedics and it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel to the police station for questioning.

His lawyer later insisted that Zimmerman’s nose had been broken in his scuffle with 17-year-old Martin. The lawyer, Craig Sonner, said his client felt “one of them was going to die that night,” when he pulled the trigger.

After ABC played the video Wednesday night, participants in the shooting case weighed in.

Martin’s parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, discussed the video on CNN.

“According to the police report, Zimmerman sustained injuries, but when we looked at this video, it was obvious that there were no visible injuries.” Fulton said. “There was no blood on his shirt.”

Martin observed that Zimmerman’s posture was inconsistent with someone who was injured and had a broken nose. In the video, Zimmerman walks with his head upright, Martin says, which would encourage blood flow, yet none is seen.

The family’s attorney, Benjamin Crump, told CNN that the tape was “a smoking gun.”

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“This clearly shows that the police report was a complete fabrication,” Crump said. “It’s obvious to us that they conspired to cover this up, to cover up the death of Trayvon Martin.”

One reason police did not arrest Zimmerman was that they accepted his account of the shooting, which had Martin attacking him first. In Florida, stand-your-ground laws allow a person to defend themselves against attack.

In its report Wednesday, ABC News said it had learned that the lead homicide investigator filed an affidavit urging Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter. The prosecutor, however, told the officer to not file the charge because there was not enough evidence for conviction.**

**No. As I posted in Post # 636, just yesterday.
the Sanford PD did not arrest Zimmerman because they could not get
an arrest warrant from the prosecutor:

A Sanford Police incident report shows the case was categorized
as “homicide/negligent manslaughter. The state attorney’s office
held off pending further review."

Spelling it out:
the Sanford PD wanted to arrest Zimmerman.
However, the Prosecutore’s office said NO
or at the least, not yet.**

Nothing there about Police 'accepting Martin’s story.'

Zimmerman said he was heading back to his car when Martin attacked him.

Martin’s girlfriend, who was on the phone with him in his final moments, told ABC News that she has not been interviewed by police, despite Martin telling her he was being followed.

The 16-year-old girl, who is only being identified as DeeDee, recounted the final moments of her conversation with Martin before the line went dead.

“When he saw the man behind him again he said this man is going to do something to him. And then he said this man is still behind him and I said run,” she told ABC.

Phone records obtained by ABC News show that the girl called Martin at 7:12 p.m., five minutes before police arrived, and remained on the phone with Martin until moments before he was shot.

DeeDee said Martin turned around and asked Zimmerman why he was following him.

“The man said what are you doing around here?” DeeDee recalled Zimmerman saying.

She said she heard someone pushed into the grass before the call was dropped.

The furor over the Martin shooting has led to many rumors and false information. Movie director Spike Lee re-tweeted the alleged address of Zimmerman to Lee’s Twitter followers.

But the address was wrong. Now, the couple who lives there claim they had to flee the home and they’ve hired a lawyer.

“At this point, they have retained us to protect their interests” and their safety, attorney Matt Morgan said of Elaine and David McClain, an elderly Sanford-area couple"
 
K. The next time I see a kid out walking with a hoodie, I’ll call the police, use those exact descriptive terms, and tell them you said it was okay…:D:D:D

Now, I’m coming around to an understanding of why Zimmerman may have called so many times.Human kids tend to walk around in clothing of the era, quite frequently… 😃
Very wrong information you just said. He called police to report suspicious behavior AND WHEN ASKED he gave the description as black (and hoodie). Please don’t call police if you see a hoodie- REMEMBER, ZIMMERMAN DIDN’T EITHER.
 
And, the reason for his call (or for that other string of calls I linked to earlier in the thread) was? A black kid, he didn’t know walking around in a hoodie…scratch that, he might not have noticed the kid until they asked him, right? So, he called because?
Because he’s a paranoid guy who is looking for criminal activity, regardless of whether any is actually going on?
 
What do you mean you don’t? His demeanor? Listen to his comments again. He keeps talking about how weird he thinks Trayvon is acting. He’s convinced Trayvon is on something. What does that have to do with race??? The only time he even mentions race, it’s to give the police operator a description.
Acting weird…looks like he’s on drugs…What’s the description of weird? What does being on drugs look like? Twitching, jumping, rolling around?

You know what? I have a black kid, I can read ‘criminalish’ without a two-way dictionary - so too apparently can the local police over there.
 
Because he’s a paranoid guy who is looking for criminal activity, regardless of whether any is actually going on?
Ok, so your theory is his paranoia caused him to call, then…very conveniently, a suspicious-looking, strange black kid appeared, clad in a hood…It would almost sound like a thriller, if it were not tragic reality.
 
Because he’s a paranoid guy who is looking for criminal activity, regardless of whether any is actually going on?
No, neighborhood watch. Many should be glad people volunteer for this as most don’t want to get involved, and that escalates crime.
 
Very wrong information you just said. He called police to report suspicious behavior AND WHEN ASKED he gave the description as black (and hoodie). Please don’t call police if you see a hoodie- REMEMBER, ZIMMERMAN DIDN’T EITHER.
What suspicious behavior? Obviously, I would fail the police entrance exams, 'cause I’m not dragging myself over to a neighborhood just to watch someone who’s strolling around looking at houses at 7pm when most people are home.
 
Acting weird…looks like he’s on drugs…What’s the description of weird? What does being on drugs look like? Twitching, jumping, rolling around?

You know what? I have a black kid, I can read ‘criminalish’ without a two-way dictionary - so too apparently can the local police over there.
You appear to be forgetting everything he said. If you don’t remember, you should reread it. Zimmerman thought he was weird because Martin was walking slowly in the rain, and stopping every once in a while to look around. Now, that may not be indicative of criminal intent, but it is weird.
 
Was anyone else surprised by the fact the video exists and that it was turned over to a media outlet? For the longest time many people were under the impression that GZ was questioned at the scene and allowed to go home, now it appears he was taken into custody and grilled for 5 hours.

Did he have a lawyer present during questioning?
Yes, I wondered about who had access to the video and who may have made it public.
 
What suspicious behavior? Obviously, I would fail the police entrance exams, 'cause I’m not dragging myself over to a neighborhood just to watch someone who’s strolling around looking at houses at 7pm when most people are home.
The suspicious behavior you are required to report as a community watch person. Whatever it may be. You’ve jumped into Zimmermans mind. If your not familiar with the nature of this work, as it appears, your comments only serve to enflame.
 
I hear you. I worry myself all the time and I’m supposed to be the father.

Here is something that works for me and it applies well in this case.

The saying goes: The wise man learns from his own mistakes. The smart man learns from other’s mistakes.

Say it with reason from the heart(you know what I mean?). It’s a powerful tool all good, wise, and smart parents have earned the right to use. Because. We. Care.
Thank you for that. I cannot help but worry. It’s a parent thing.
 
Personally I think it is lost already. Unless this eyewitness can give an additional perception of what happened it’s either believe Zimmerman or those who believe he was “hunted down” and shot for no reason other than he was black and wearing a hoodie. …
I hope you are wrong. But, I fear you are correct.
 
You appear to be forgetting everything he said. If you don’t remember, you should reread it. Zimmerman thought he was weird because Martin was walking slowly in the rain, and stopping every once in a while to look around. Now, that may not be indicative of criminal intent, but it is weird.
Okay, let me list the activities:
  1. walking slowly in the rain
  2. stopping occasionally to look around
You find that weird? I do these things almost every time I:

a.plan to meet someone but find that they’re late (I’m the restless kind, so would not simply stand)
b. need to get my bearings while exercising in a strange neighborhood (I have a very poor sense of direction)

Thankfully, I don’t travel much or it seems that people might always be calling the police on me…:confused:
 
And, the reason for his call (or for that other string of calls I linked to earlier in the thread) was? A black kid, he didn’t know walking around in a hoodie…scratch that, he might not have noticed the kid until they asked him, right? So, he called because?
No, he called because of what he deemed suspicious behavior. Whether what Martin was doing would be considered suspicious in your neighborhood, I don’t know. But anyone walking around looking at houses in my neighborhood would warrant a call to the police. And yes, they would come.

When asked for a description, he gave the information about the hoodie and the fact that Martin may be black. He didn’t call and say, “there’s a black kid with a hoodie, come and arrest him.”
 
The suspicious behavior you are required to report as a community watch person. Whatever it may be. You’ve jumped into Zimmermans mind. If your not familiar with the nature of this work, as it appears, your comments only serve to enflame.
No more flames need to be fanned, considering the $$$ bounty offered and the following type of things are already going on.

" ‘KillZimmerman’ Twitter advocates violence against Martin’s killer

On March 24 a “KillZimmerman” Twitter account began publishing calls for violence against George Zimmerman, the self-appointed neighborhood watch captain who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26."…

Blue excerpt from: dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/killzimmerman-twitter-advocates-violence-against-martins-killer/
 
No, he called because of what he deemed suspicious behavior. Whether what Martin was doing would be considered suspicious in your neighborhood, I don’t know. But anyone walking around looking at houses in my neighborhood would warrant a call to the police. And yes, they would come.

When asked for a description, he gave the information about the hoodie and the fact that Martin may be black. He didn’t call and say, “there’s a black kid with a hoodie, come and arrest him.”
Oh-kay. Note to self: call the police whenever I see a stranger walking around looking at houses. Do not assume that they are:

a. lost
b. looking at real estate
c. appreciative of the architecture

Note to son: any of the above is liable to get you killed. Don’t get lost, but if you do, be sure to walk around with your eyes tightly closed.

That about it?
 
Wow thats a comglomeration of misinformation? A cracker is a cop? I thought that was obsolete slang for the white man?. 🤷 Maybe I’m getting old.
Cracker is a racist name for a white person, but some people think there’s nothing wrong with saying it.
 
No more flames need to be fanned, considering the $$$ bounty offered and the following type of things are already going on.

" ‘KillZimmerman’ Twitter advocates violence against Martin’s killer

On March 24 a “KillZimmerman” Twitter account began publishing calls for violence against George Zimmerman, the self-appointed neighborhood watch captain who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26."…

Blue excerpt from: dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/killzimmerman-twitter-advocates-violence-against-martins-killer/
Ah, the outrage over the reprehensible fringe reactions to the outrage over the senseless killing of an innocent child. Publishing links to such sites will no doubt quench all the flames…:rolleyes:
 
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