Trayvon Martin: 'Shoot first' law under scrutiny

[jen_fla]

I understand, everyone really should know exactly what laws apply to you in your area in this regard. Thats my own opinion though.

it’s the smart thing to do, i just wish lawmakers would meet us halfway and cut down on the legalese and write the laws out in plain-easy-to-comprehend english.

 

[seekerz]

it’s the smart thing to do, i just wish lawmakers would meet us halfway and cut down on the legalese and write the laws out in plain-easy-to-comprehend english.

That might defeat the purpose of the law and eliminate the need for lawyers!

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

it’s the smart thing to do, i just wish lawmakers would meet us halfway and cut down on the legalese and write the laws out in plain-easy-to-comprehend english.

Ya…that ain’t gonna happen.

I mean, the US Constitution, the fundamental law of the land, is one handwritten page.

The Affordable Care Act is 2,700 pages of confusing and hard to read legalese mumbo-jumbo.

Lawyers get paid big bucks by politicians to craft legislation that the ordinary citizen can’t understand.

 

[Jerry_Miah]

His father WAS a judge in another state.

Please, check your facts, I can’t do it for you.

Oh, yeah, you really got me. It makes a huge difference. Now what about the fact that Zimmerman has a violent past of attacking a cop, and somehow still gets a concealed weapon permit (nothing to do with his judge-daddy because that’s from another state, right?) Why is a guy with violence issues patrolling the street with a gun? And why isn’t he in jail right now, awaiting trial?

 

[jen_fla]

That might defeat the purpose of the law and eliminate the need for lawyers!

oh my gosh, we agree!

 

[jen_fla]

Ya…that ain’t gonna happen.

I mean, the US Constitution, the fundamental law of the land, is one handwritten page.

The Affordable Care Act is 2,700 pages of confusing and hard to read legalese mumbo-jumbo.

Lawyers get paid big bucks by politicians to craft legislation that the ordinary citizen can’t understand.

you’re right, but maybe we all should be making more of a stink about it.

 

[Bocephus]

Does Zimmerman have a working tongue? Did he relate what happened? If the answer to both is yes, then why do I need to be an eye witness?

Doesn’t sound like he was reporting a crime to me, is it wrong to report a person acting suspiciously in hopes to prevent a crime? Or is it wrong to report a black person being suspicious for fear of racial profiling?

A friend of mine reported a suspicious van driving around her neighborhood the other day, maybe I should tell her she shouldn’t do that unless she sees them actually commit a crime, like kidnapping or robbery or worse…you know the ones you’d hate to prevent, especially if you suspect they were committed by a minority.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Oh, yeah, you really got me. It makes a huge difference. Now what about the fact that Zimmerman has a violent past of attacking a cop, and somehow still gets a concealed weapon permit (nothing to do with his judge-daddy because that’s from another state, right?) Why is a guy with violence issues patrolling the street with a gun? And why isn’t he in jail right now, awaiting trial?

Why don’t you ask the State’s Attorney’s office, who’s job it is to actually press charges of a crime. SHould we just through George Zimmerman in jail to appease the lust for blood that is being stirred by the media and select members of Congress.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

you’re right, but maybe we all should be making more of a stink about it.

Its too late. Unless we start to replace these lifelong career politicians with new, fresh blood, nothing will ever change. That is why I am a member of GOOOH.

 

[jen_fla]

Excuse me, how about you answer any other of the points? Is America 2012 a place where a judge’s kid gets to carry a gun despite a violent past of attacking a police offer, and then doesn’t even get charged when he kills a kid? Vigilantism is what we are talking about.

I said Miller apparently called 911. This was reported early on here abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=8593399&syndicate=syndicate%A7ion but has since been pulled. See more here examiner.com/us-headlines-in-national/reports-trayvon-martin-called-911-pulled-from-the-internet-are-they-false

One more point: Aren’t gated communities known for being quiet and lacking in serious crime? Isn’t that why they are gated? I doubt there was any violent street crime in this gated community. Zimmerman sounds like a guy with issues (attacking a police officer, domestic abuse), a guy sick in the head who never should have been allowed to have a gun on the street or be in any kind of policing position.

jerry, you are new around here, so first i’d like to say welcome to caf!

second i’d like to say that if you are going to post facts the burden is on you to provide sources. there is no evidence that trayvon ever called 911. it looks like someone made a mistake and that is why some articles were pulled.

don’t you think that if there was a tape, we’d hear it given how much the media has been playing zimmerman’s call over and over?

as to the rest of your post why should anyone answer it when you haven’t proved that this was a case of vigilantism. where is your proof? are you 100% sure that george didn’t calmly ask trayvon what he was up to and that that ticked him off so he went and attacked george?

 

[Bocephus]

Oh, yeah, you really got me. It makes a huge difference. Now what about the fact that Zimmerman has a violent past of attacking a cop, and somehow still gets a concealed weapon permit (nothing to do with his judge-daddy because that’s from another state, right?) Why is a guy with violence issues patrolling the street with a gun? And why isn’t he in jail right now, awaiting trial?

He supposedly pushed a cop who was accusing a friend of underage drinking several years ago. As far as I know the law can prevent you from getting a concealed carry permit if you are convicted of certain crimes. In his case it wasn’t one of those crimes. The whole daddy is a judge argument is speculation and whiney.

 

[seekerz]

Doesn’t sound like he was reporting a crime to me, is it wrong to report a person acting suspiciously in hopes to prevent a crime? Or is it wrong to report a black person being suspicious for fear of racial profiling?

A friend of mine reported a suspicious van driving around her neighborhood the other day, maybe I should tell her she shouldn’t do that unless she sees them actually commit a crime, like kidnapping or robbery or worse…you know the ones you’d hate to prevent, especially if you suspect they were committed by a minority.

Was that van simply driving on the road at the same speed as any random vehicle? Your friend must have noticed some physical detail or unusual driving activity to consider the van suspicious.

Similarly, since Trayvon was not described as doing anything unusual, I’m left to think it must have been some physical detail. Unreasonable?

 

[Jerry_Miah]

Why don’t you ask the State’s Attorney’s office, who’s job it is to actually press charges of a crime. SHould we just through George Zimmerman in jail to appease the lust for blood that is being stirred by the media and select members of Congress.

We ARE in the process of asking the State Attorney, who apparently was the one who decided to free Zimmerman, overriding the investigating officer who wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter.

This isn’t being “stirred”, this is an obvious miscarriage of justice and serious official irresponsibility (allowing a guy with violence issues to patrol with a gun) and of possible cronyism (judge dad and state attorney).

What motivates you to not want a jury trial in such a case?

 

[catharina]

Oh, yeah, you really got me. It makes a huge difference. Now what about the fact that Zimmerman has a violent past of attacking a cop, and somehow still gets a concealed weapon permit (nothing to do with his judge-daddy because that’s from another state, right?) Why is a guy with violence issues patrolling the street with a gun? And why isn’t he in jail right now, awaiting trial?

newsone.com/nation/nomul6/george-zimmerman-domestic-violence/

**Zimmerman’s Ex-Fiance Filed Restraining Order Against Him **

"Just as Trayvon Martin‘s leaked marijuana suspension made national news, George Zimmerman‘s past run-ins with the law are also beginning to come to light.

MSNBC reports that Zimmerman’s ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a “civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence” in 2005. Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. Both restraining orders were eventually granted. In December of 2006, he was charged with speeding, but the charge was dismissed after the cop failed to show up in court."

Point Noted.   Trayvon's "charge" was a high school suspension.  Zimmerman's charge was domestic violence agaianst his fiance and her request was granted.

 

[Bocephus]

Why don’t you ask the State’s Attorney’s office, who’s job it is to actually press charges of a crime. SHould we just through George Zimmerman in jail to appease the lust for blood that is being stirred by the media and select members of Congress.

I’m thinking we bring back the colliseum, some lions, chariots and real gladiator style fighting. Just toss Zimmerman in and see how long he lasts.

 

[seekerz]

newsone.com/nation/nomul6/george-zimmerman-domestic-violence/

**Zimmerman’s Ex-Fiance Filed Restraining Order Against Him **

"Just as Trayvon Martin‘s leaked marijuana suspension made national news, George Zimmerman‘s past run-ins with the law are also beginning to come to light.

MSNBC reports that Zimmerman’s ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a “civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence” in 2005. Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. Both restraining orders were eventually granted. In December of 2006, he was charged with speeding, but the charge was dismissed after the cop failed to show up in court."

Point Noted.   Trayvon's "charge" was a high school suspension.  Zimmerman's charge was domestic violence agaianst his fiance and her request was granted.

According to Zimmerman’s friend, Joe Oliver, he had ‘grown’ past those brushes with the law (which, incidentally, he had never discussed with his friend). Of course, the real growing child could not have possibly grown past his youthful indiscretions.

 

[Bocephus]

Was that van simply driving on the road at the same speed as any random vehicle? Your friend must have noticed some physical detail or unusual driving activity to consider the van suspicious.

Similarly, since Trayvon was not described as doing anything unusual, I’m left to think it must have been some physical detail. Unreasonable?

It had made a few passes and there had been reports of a man asking children to help him with his dog…kind of familiar.

Because he didn’t take the time to describe it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Acting like your on drugs and being black and walking down the street is two totally different things.

 

[seekerz]

I’m thinking we bring back the colliseum, some lions, chariots and real gladiator style fighting. Just toss Zimmerman in and see how long he lasts.

A simple arrest followed by a trial, will suffice. There is no blood lust here, only a parched throat yearning for justice.

 

[seekerz]

It had made a few passes and there had been reports of a man asking children to help him with his dog…kind of familiar.

Because he didn’t take the time to describe it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Acting like your on drugs and being black and walking down the street is two totally different things.

A man asking children to help him with a dog is a red flag and certainly suspicious behavior.

OTOH, I have no idea what ‘acting like you’re on drugs’ looks like.

 

[Bocephus]

A simple arrest followed by a trial, will suffice. There is no blood lust here, only a parched throat yearning for justice.

There was an arrest.

And a release, and there probably will be a trial.

And if he’s found not guilty, many peoples throats will still be parched.

Zimmerman will never live this one down, even if found not guilty.

If I were Zimmerman I’d want a trial.