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slate
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I generally give the benefit of the doubt, but the info banner isn’t even in a relevant location. This looks sneaky to say the least
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Bocephus
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Keep in mind two things, this child, Treyvon was perfectly capable of killing George with his hands and feet and not everyone who ends up dead in a fight is a victim.
You are entitled to your opinion, don’t let me get in the way. Let’s just keep it reasonable. Not knowing many details we probably shouldnt personally convict George. You can regardless of what anyone says, but should you?
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OrdinaryMelkite
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We still don’t know if Zimmerman did indeed get his “head beat in.”
The investigation will uncover what really happened, hopsefully. I have my thughts and opinions but they have no bearing on the case.
Just saying.
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Bezant
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Is there any indication that racism was a relevant issue in the crime?
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Bocephus
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I dont know what the roll eyes is suppose to mean but considering:We still don’t know if Zimmerman did indeed get his “head beat in.”
The investigation will uncover what really happened, hopsefully. I have my thughts and opinions but they have no bearing on the case.
Just saying.
If the broken nose is true with the apparent wounds to the back of the head…he was in the process. Obviously he didn’t get curbed, or Z wouldn’t be here, but it’s close and too much of it could have turned Z into a vegetable.
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Dawnia
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It’s already being tried in the “court” of public opinion. A trial will be pointless if both sides agree that it was self-defense.
And if there are charges, it is most likely to end in a plea bargain on a lesser charge.
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SamH
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Having witnessed a such an event it only takes a few moments of ground and pound to kill or nearly kill someone - especially on pavement or concrete.
When my son took a fall (epilepsy) he struck his head on our concrete floor in our garage. He didn’t even break the skin and suffered a massive concussion and an epidural hematoma that resulted in him being life flighted to another hospital.
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OrdinaryMelkite
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You’re right------what people forget is that some folks are saying this allegedly took place in grass. NOT the pavement. So which is it?
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Bocephus
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As I said before, they could have been in both. Would it be so unusual if Z fell from being struck from behind on the grass with his head by the sidewalk?You’re right------what people forget is that some folks are saying this allegedly took place in grass. NOT the pavement. So which is it?
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SamH
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Do you know?You’re right------what people forget is that some folks are saying this allegedly took place in grass. NOT the pavement. So which is it?
I just remember the press releasing stories that there was no blood on the sidewalk where this occurred. Did they get it wrong again?
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Dawnia
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It was raining out, so it’s possible the rain cleaned off any blood that would have been there.
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SamH
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I know. but past “MSM” stories acted as if the sidewalk was where the “event” happened and the fact there wasn’t blood was some sort of proof of what did or did not happen.
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iamrefreshed
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No more so than the Zimmerman/Trayvon situation.
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Kathryn_Ann
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Quotingmaryjk:
He did? You know that for sure? Do you have proof?
(Originally Posted by Kathryn Ann)
** Trayvon is the victim here.
He is dead.**
Zimmerman had the gun. Who approached whom first? Who decided to do exactly what the authorities said not to do? I stand by what I said: The man was told not to follow the child, and because he approached the child, there was an altercation and we have a tragic death.
Quoting maryjk: He did? You know that for sure? Do you have proof? Or is this just was you believe?
**Kathryn’s reply: Yes Trayvon is dead. There was an altercation. Zimmerman was told not to approach. They’ve been running the recordings of that conversation for weeks now. Zimmerman was told not to approach. He decided to anyway. These are facts.
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Quoting Kathryn:
Trials depend all the time on recordings, evidence, and common sense.
The jury is not at the scene of the crime or altercation when it occurred, yet they have a right to base their decisions on the facts. They have the right to ask these questions we all ask:
Who was armed?
Who was defenseless?
Who approached whom?
Quoting maryjk: I am not sure where you live, but last time I served on a jury, we were not allowed to question witnesses.
Kathryn reply:* I live in the U.S.A, where at trial by jury, the jury hears all the questions asked by the attorneys. The jury members retire to the jury room and are allowed to talk among themselves and to have the transcripts presented to them, containing all questions asked by the attorneys.** These questions have not only already been asked by the public and by Trayvon’s family, but will most certainly be addressed by the attorney’s***.
Jury members will be listening for these answers.
** Quoting maryjk**: The attorneys did the questioning and we sat and listened.
Kathryn’s reply: And the jury then goes into deliberation, where the transcripts are provided them, and where they are free to discuss the witness’s answers.
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Quoting Kathryn’s earlier statement:**
Young Trayvon Martin was “packing” iced tea and Skittles candy, walking home.
Zimmerman chose to follow him, packing a loaded gun.
Hmmm. Let’s us pause a moment at those facts.
We have to let the courts decide. We each have a right to our opinions.
Peace,
Kathryn Ann
Quoting maryjk: Very true. We all have our own opinions.
Kathryn’s reply:
Based on the facts, and these are tragic. I tend to side with the powerless. If a grown man is packing a loaded gun, and if that grown man is told by authorities not to approach, yet chooses to do so, he has escalated the situation. I’m siding with the innocent child carrying home the candy and iced tea.* Had Zimmerman not approached, had he waited for the authorities to come, there would not have been an altercation and a child would be alive today*.
Just my opinion, based on what we know.
I pray for the young man’s family, for justice, and will leave this thread now, as it’s up to the judicial system to decide.
Respectfully,
Kathryn Ann
He did? You know that for sure? Do you have proof?
(Originally Posted by Kathryn Ann)
** Trayvon is the victim here.
He is dead.**
Zimmerman had the gun. Who approached whom first? Who decided to do exactly what the authorities said not to do? I stand by what I said: The man was told not to follow the child, and because he approached the child, there was an altercation and we have a tragic death.
Quoting maryjk: He did? You know that for sure? Do you have proof? Or is this just was you believe?
**Kathryn’s reply: Yes Trayvon is dead. There was an altercation. Zimmerman was told not to approach. They’ve been running the recordings of that conversation for weeks now. Zimmerman was told not to approach. He decided to anyway. These are facts.
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Quoting Kathryn:
Trials depend all the time on recordings, evidence, and common sense.
The jury is not at the scene of the crime or altercation when it occurred, yet they have a right to base their decisions on the facts. They have the right to ask these questions we all ask:
Who was armed?
Who was defenseless?
Who approached whom?
Quoting maryjk: I am not sure where you live, but last time I served on a jury, we were not allowed to question witnesses.
Kathryn reply:* I live in the U.S.A, where at trial by jury, the jury hears all the questions asked by the attorneys. The jury members retire to the jury room and are allowed to talk among themselves and to have the transcripts presented to them, containing all questions asked by the attorneys.** These questions have not only already been asked by the public and by Trayvon’s family, but will most certainly be addressed by the attorney’s***.
Jury members will be listening for these answers.
** Quoting maryjk**: The attorneys did the questioning and we sat and listened.
Kathryn’s reply: And the jury then goes into deliberation, where the transcripts are provided them, and where they are free to discuss the witness’s answers.
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Quoting Kathryn’s earlier statement:**
Young Trayvon Martin was “packing” iced tea and Skittles candy, walking home.
Zimmerman chose to follow him, packing a loaded gun.
Hmmm. Let’s us pause a moment at those facts.
We have to let the courts decide. We each have a right to our opinions.
Peace,
Kathryn Ann
Quoting maryjk: Very true. We all have our own opinions.
Kathryn’s reply:
Based on the facts, and these are tragic. I tend to side with the powerless. If a grown man is packing a loaded gun, and if that grown man is told by authorities not to approach, yet chooses to do so, he has escalated the situation. I’m siding with the innocent child carrying home the candy and iced tea.* Had Zimmerman not approached, had he waited for the authorities to come, there would not have been an altercation and a child would be alive today*.
Just my opinion, based on what we know.
I pray for the young man’s family, for justice, and will leave this thread now, as it’s up to the judicial system to decide.
Respectfully,
Kathryn Ann
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hazmat
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maybe because they figured theft was the motive, whereas why zimmerman pursued trayvon with a gun, when trayvon hadnt committed a crime (as far as we know), is unclear… itd be different if hed been spotted stealing or vandalizing something by zimmerman.
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iamrefreshed
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If it’s unclear why point to racism?
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hazmat
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theres little else to rationalize following someone with a gun when theyve done nothing criminal (as far as we know). people like to know why things happen–that just happens to be their best guess. surely youve encountered a situation where you think you know why something happened, despite not having the facts to demonstrate/prove that youre correct.
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iamrefreshed
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How about there were 8 break-ins in that neighborhood?
How about that Zimmerman thought he was acting suspicious?
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maryjk
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Which is meaningless. It isn’t always the victim that dies. It is just as likely that Martin approached Zimmerman. In fact, that is what Zimmerman claims happened.
Not indicating that Martin is a criminal. But if a criminal approaches me and hits me. and I respond by shooting the criminal, that does not make the criminal the victim. That makes me the victim.
Prove it. Prove to me and everyone else that Zimmerman approached Martin.
No they don’t have the right to ask any questions. Juries do not ask questions.
Wow. You already know what questions will be asked!! Great. Do you know who they will be questioning? Or are you just guessing???
No, not always. I am guessing that you don’t know a whole lot about the court system. Maybe only what you have seen on TV? Juries aren’t really like that. They don’t always get transcripts, lots of times they don’t get to take notes and many trials go on for weeks. (Yes, I have been a juror, as part of a capital murder case.)
Young T Martin was over 6 foot tall and had at least in the past been a football player
None of which is against the law.
I paused. And???
How do you know he is innocent? How do you know he was powerless? I guess you think Zimmerman broke his own nose? Or banged his own head against the pavement?
Very true, IF Zimmerman approached Martin. If Martin approached Zimmerman, that is different.
That is your opinion, but it is based on opinion. Not on what we know.
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hazmat
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trayvon wasnt spotted breaking into any homes as far as i know. why would he suspect trayvon of being a thief as opposed to someone else?
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