Tribute to Joe Biden?

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Only in America, is making sure an election is fair, considered a threat to democracy.
The “making sure it is fair” part came well before the election when the voting methods and safeguards were put in place. The threat to Democracy came in the run-up with false assertions about methods of voting and after the voting with repeated attacks on a fair process with accusations of fraud that had no basis in fact (to the point that the legal teams didn’t actually plead fraud in court, only in press conferences and social media).
 
Here’s something related, and kind of sums up how I feel about Joseph Robinette Biden:
Only in America, is making sure an election is fair, considered a threat to democracy.
Only Biden? Republicans have blocked numerous election security bills over the years. Like I have no issue examining everyone’s behavior but I don’t like selectively doing so. Trump claimed millions of illegal voters almost lost him the election 4 years ago, he formed a commission on voter fraud and disbanded it a year later when the commissions didn’t find evidence of such fraud. Somehow voter fraud is both enormous and obvious, and impossible to find.
 
I read several people in charge of certain states would not play ball with federal suggestions! States have rights that feds can’t sway. So why waste the effort there when there was so much more to do?
 
I read several people in charge of certain states would not play ball with federal suggestions! States have rights that feds can’t sway. So why waste the effort there when there was so much more to do?
Well since Trump is now claiming the election was stolen… maybe it would have stopped that? They could have at least released evidence they had on wide spread voter fraud, instead of … not.
 
“Unity” means working together for the common good in one case, and “agree with us or else” in the other.

The so-called head of so-called Antifa is threatening armed disruption of the US unless President Trump concedes by Sunday.

I pray not, but I fear that bloodshed is coming.
 
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Evidence is presented in court. We do not try cases by media. This is apparently no longer taught in either primary or secondary education.

OK. You might “hate” Rudy Giuliani. Fine. Does not make his videos false. In fact, if the information he is reporting is false, he could be sued to poverty for libel, slander and defamation of character. A court injunction would easily silence him overnight if that were true.

The accused, with the media and progressive-leftist high tech monopolies 100% on their side, simply ignore it and play the victim.

Look into the voting systems used. Look into the utterly shocking abuses of voting laws. It’s all there “IF” you wish to open your eyes, mind and heart.
 
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Evidence is presented in court. We do not try cases by media. This is apparently no longer taught in either primary or secondary education.
Commissions as a normal part of their process release reports detailing their findings. Evidence is presented to media all the time, this ‘its only in court’ is nonsense. It’s accuracy and relevance are determined in court. You can’t have it both ways here, if evidence is in court then nothing Rudy has said is evidence either and you can’t make any claims whatsoever about voter fraud.
Look into the voting systems used. Look into the utterly shocking abuses of voting laws. It’s all there “IF” you wish to open your eyes, mind and heart.
What’s a particularly egregious and clear-cut case I could start with?
 
This is not a commission. Where to begin? You’re kidding…
You weren’t very clear about what you were responding to. There was an election commission in 2017 that was supposedly to determine the extent of voter fraud in the 2016 election. It was disbanded having found no evidence of significant voter fraud as Trump had claimed. I was asked why we should have spent more resources there, and I was pointing out since Trump is again claiming voter fraud, perhaps disbanding the voter fraud commission was a bit hasty.

As for where to begin, I should have said I frequently ask for specifics when people make very general claims. I’m often met with replies such as “you’re kidding” or other vague non-answers. At best I’m given a thoroughly debunked case. I will 100% look into any case you want to cite with an open mind, I’m asking for the best example you can come up with, ideally for this election but I realize that’s pretty new, something where there’s something for me to look into.
 
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You mean like the “Warren Commission” that settled the JFK assassination once and for all? Records sealed for 99 years?

Candidate Trump claimed that his office had been bugged and the media and democrats laughed. Turns out that Obama’s administration was bugging Trump’s campaign manager over the made-up lie of “Russian collusion” in a subversive end-run around Richard Nixon and Watergate. Instead of breaking in, they found a convenient liar and brought the fury of the federal government down on innocent persons - ruining their lives. Oh! And they could not prove collusion, but did snoop on privileged communications that would assist their efforts to steal the 2016 election. And they tried like “hell” to turn that election and failed. Well, their anger only increased.
 
I’m not American, so please feel free to ignore my opinion - but I think after an election, everyone needs to come together. I thought that after Trump was elected and some were refusing to accept him as their President. At some point, one side needs to be the bigger one and try to come together.
What do you mean by “come together?”

People cannot be unified when there are deep disagreements about policies. I happen to disagree with almost everything that the Democratic Party advocates, therefore, I disagree with almost everything that Pres. Biden and VP Harris advocate.

However, even if we disagree, we can be civil.

What that means is that if we disagree with one of Pres. Biden’s speeches, we don’t rip it up in a public setting, especially if we are in a position of leadership when we rip.

And we don’t put bumper stickers on our car that say things like --well, I can’t print them here–about the President.

And I frankly think that massive protests against the President, where we carry giant caricature balloons of the President, and carry signs denouncing the President and demanding that he (or she, if VP Harris ascends to the Presidency in the event of a resignation by Pres. Biden) resign immediately.

Civility–in some quarters, it’s denounced. It shouldn’t be denounced. It’s a good thing.
 
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I agree with your post Peeps, civility is SUCH an underrated quality. I guess that’s really what I mean by come together - don’t sulk or say “he’s not my president” or refuse to listen to the other side. Just accept that this person won because they have a vision most people want to see implemented. Of course, we can disagree, but be civil and understanding to the other side. Don’t just write them off an uneducated, or racist, or whatever.

Not aiming my thoughts at anyone in particular, just speaking generally 🙂 I thought this when I saw Democrat supporters refuse to accept Trump in 2016, and I’m thinking it again now I see Republican supporters say the same thing. (For what it’s worth, I also think this in UK elections, whoever wins!). I just wish the losing side could lose graciously, and civilly!
 
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Just accept that this person won because they have a vision most people want to see implemented.
I don’t think that’s why Joseph Biden won the election. I think he won the election because people couldn’t get past Pres. Trump’s personality. They weren’t voting for Joseph Biden and his policies, they were voting AGAINST Donald Trump and his Tweets.

It’s the same reason why Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton–many people would have voted for ANYONE except Secy of State Clinton back then! They didn’t vote FOR Donald Trump, but AGAINST Hillary Clinton.

As for the COVID-19 crisis–I honestly don’t think ANY President would have handled this pandemic much differently. Yes, Pres. Trump seemed to be anti-mask–but at the beginnng of the pandemic, Dr. Fauci was anti-mask! And there were a lot of other good things that Pres. Trump did during the first few months of the pandemic–mobilizing factories to make PPE, getting the vaccine research going, getting funds to the small businesses, and frankly, I found his comments about “things are getting better” encouraging. I felt hopeful.

Now I’ve pretty much lost hope. I am as gloomy as I have ever been in my LIFE before–I HATE THIS PANDEMIC! I hate living this way. I’m lonelier than ever. I can’t play piano or organ anywhere–it’s not like I can haul them out onto my driveway and give my neighbors a concert. I absolutely hate wearing masks (I hate wearing anything that is “tight” on my body) and if this pandemic ever ends, I plan on asking our city to hold a huge bonfire downtown with live music and dancing and carousing and lots of food and drink (soft for me) and letting us all dance around that bonfire and cheer as our stupid masks go up in smoke!!!
 
I honestly don’t think ANY President would have handled this pandemic much differently.
Many world leaders did handle it differently, and in many cases with much more success. We have placed going weeks without a cases and responding to single digit cases effectively, while we rack up hundreds of thousands more cases all the time.

Masks were not part of the initial response because efficacy wasn’t known yet, the limited supply was critical for first responders and medical personnel, and limiting outing to essentials would have been much more effective before people decided lottery tickets and alcohol were “essential”.

I think some places did better than us with ensuring businesses and people were looked after, but many places did worse. I think we needed much stronger leadership much earlier on instead of just being told what made us feel better. I’m not bashing Trump but I do think that’s one of is weak points, I don’t think he’s good at delivering bad news in a hopeful way, or in a ‘we’ll get through this’ way; he tells us the cases will go away, the vaccine’s 2 weeks away, that we should go out and enjoy life, because people like hearing that, and he likes being the person making them smile. That’s just my take, he made some good steps, I think given the position the US is in we could have done better.

But I will come join the bonfire.
 
I gave no intention of “uniting” with anybody who attacks freedom of religion.

Religious freedom was sort of the “point” of the original thirteen colonies.
 
Doubt it…he probably wouldn’t even know who they’re talking about!
 
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