Tridentine Solemn High Mass

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DominvsVobiscvm:
Go here.

If you want to be taken seriously, act like it. Posting rediculous, irrlevant picture, for scandalous shock value, serves no possible good, especially whn said pics are accompanied by no documentation.

A picture of the Holy Father making a funny face, for example, shouldn’t be at all scandalous. It shows he’s a human being with a sense of humor. I’m sure you would have hated Saint Philip Neri, or any one of the Eastern Churches’ several “Holy Fools for Christ.”
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Podo2004:
heh like i said before you guys are so funny…well in the NEW mass they don’t face east they face the congregation. The way it should be done. They changed it.
I know alot about the catholic faith because i read and study alot, that’s why is don’t rely on this site to get me all the answers, i come to discuss and of course get rude comments all the time.(sigh)
Podo
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Tell me, ‘Where in Vatican II Priests were instructed to face the congegation’?
 
misericordie said:
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Even those of us who attend NO masses do not like to see abuses in the mass, my church by the way doesn’t have any… I personally would like to see things become more traditional… But, as I have mentioned before, a lot of you who are posting for the Traditional side make me want to run the other way. What are we at the mass for… We are there to focus on the Eucharist. I have also said before that the Church teaches nothing, it is the Holy Spirit that is the teachers using the Church as a tool.

Do you think that all parishs that practice the NO mass are bad?

By the way your pictures tell me nothing, I know where they are from and that is a hatefilled site. God bless you for your concern, but, I think you are going about it the wrong way.
 
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AmyS:
By the way your pictures tell me nothing, I know where they are from and…
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These pictures are almost all familiar to me, which is surprising: the archive seems rather small. Some of them could be fakes, by the way: traditionalists putting together a mock event to photograph and claim as “novus ordo”. In any case, bear’s point about scandalizing the faithful is important. Miseri, you are unaware of the difference between private and public criticism–and so was I when I was a trad. If you have a problem, take it to your prelates. If you must ask about it publicly, do so in a way that minimizes scandal. You could drive people from the faith, without realizing it. Those pictures are unknown to you personally in any case, and indeed perhaps 99.9% of masses are celebrated quite normally, not on a beach or with gymnasts.

Here is some information about public vs. private criticisms of things that happen in the Church.
 
John of Woking:
Tell me, ‘Where in Vatican II Priests were instructed to face the congegation’?
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I agree! I too have studied at the University the 16 documents of Vatican II in depth, and the postconciliar comments of Pope Paul VI, NO WHERE does it mention anything about facing the crowd.
 
 
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katherine2:
I recognize this photo. This is a Protestant Church. Do all of your posts contain misrepresentations?

Might truth some day be a virtue that the right wing comes to accept?
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The rad-Trads have gotten caught several times in lies. Thankfully most have stopped using “the Pope said mass with a Buddha on the altar” and “the Pope let the mark of Shiva be placed on him by a Shiva priestess” arguments. You’d think they’d be disgraced and stop spreading what they think is scandal but nooooooooooo. They just point to some other thing they think is scandalous and never take responsibility for their actions.
 
John of Woking:
Tell me, ‘Where in Vatican II Priests were instructed to face the congegation’?
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John please tell me how this affects the presence of Christ in the Eucharist?
 
John of Woking:
Tell me, ‘Where in Vatican II Priests were instructed to face the congegation’?
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They wern’t. Because nothing before the Council forbade them from saying Mass facing the altar and community.

Since no rule existed mandating the priest face the aspe, no rule had to be changed to allow it.

I take it this was an innocent question on your part and not another example of the reactionary dishonesty.
 
misericordie,

STOP POSTING LARGE IMAGES!!! USE A URL LINK INSTEAD!!!

I DON’T WANT THIS THREAD CLOSED!
 
Because nothing before the Council forbade them from saying Mass facing the altar and community.
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I think it was really well-understood that the priest and congregation were supposed to face east (or, if this was not possible, to designate the wall of a church is symbolically east).

Yes, Mass facing the people did occur in certain exceptional circumstances (for example, in Saint Peter’s).

But while Mass facing the people was not forbidden by the letter of the law, surely it was contrary to its spirit.

And even in basilicas like Saint Peter’s it was at one point in history the practice that, at the Eucharistic prayer, the congregation would turn around, so they would be facing the same direction as the Papal celebrant (i.e. East).

Thus, Mass facing the people, as it is practiced today, as no real theological or historical precedence, though it is technically valid and legal.

Wasn’t it the Apostle, however, who said “all things are lawful, but not all things good”?
 
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katherine2:
I recognize this photo. This is a Protestant Church. Do all of your posts contain misrepresentations?

Might truth some day be a virtue that the right wing comes to accept?
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actually seems you don’t know it well, no its catholic: since when do protestants have crucifixes?
 
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bear06:
The rad-Trads have gotten caught several times in lies. Thankfully most have stopped using “the Pope said mass with a Buddha on the altar” and “the Pope let the mark of Shiva be placed on him by a Shiva priestess” arguments. You’d think they’d be disgraced and stop spreading what they think is scandal but nooooooooooo. They just point to some other thing they think is scandalous and never take responsibility for their actions.
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Funny: do you also think the gathering of Hindus and their worship in Fatima are lies too? Actually the Basilica itself and its priests acknowlege hindu worship was done there in the spirit of “ecumenism” Well, I rest my case: seems when l TRUTH IS POINTED OUT, ONE WAY TO TRY TO BRUSH IT TO THE SIDE WOULD BE TO TRY TO DESCREDIT THE SOURCE, HOWEVER MOST CATHOLICS KNOW THE CHAOS WHICH SOME MASSES HAVE BEEN AND THE SITUATIONS IN THEIR HOME PARISHES AT TIMES WHICH CANNOT BE DENIED.
 
 
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misericordie:
actually seems you don’t know it well, no its catholic: since when do protestants have crucifixes?
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Um…there are the Episcopal Churches, aka “Catholic-lite”, with smells-n-bells, crucifixes, stained glass, chant, full liturgical calendar and lectionary readings, all the prayers from the Mass, you name it. Only things they’re missing are communion with Rome and a sense of moral direction. (Again, this should tell you something about the importance of externals vs. communion with Rome).

I don’t know how much stock I would put in Novus Ordo Watch. Like many others have stated, they use the same images over and over to produce and promote scandal (and as previous posters have asserted, many of the “scandals” are falsehoods).
 
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misericordie:
You continue to make us laugh my your immence ignorance (you probably mean well) regarding LITURGY. May I suggest liturgy 101? wow, you comaper the people in the pew with God, who’s face is to be ADORED? By the way, yes, after Vatican II the “catholic liturgy” seems par and par with the Lutheran, and Anglican: But I guess you would say nothing ever goes wrong: liturgical dancers, clown masses, a jeep for an altar(violation of the SAME Novus Ordo rules actually), etc.?? may I suggest reading the Book “Mass Confusion” promoted here by Catholic Answers.
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you guys have the idea worng for the novus ordo, we don’t use jeeps as altars, we don’t have clown but reverant masses… and there is nothing protestant about it. And like i said, God is not just present up there but down here as well.
It’s funny how you guys love the old mass and then find every excuse to criticize the new one…
Podo
 
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misericordie:
This reminds me ALL of that famous saying: THE TRUTH HURTS. Somehow I knew bear06 just HAD to respond.
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That because that’s all some of you trads can do, show pictures like that. You know what misericordie? You aren’t very catholic doing that… showing pictures that are nothing about the novus ordo just pictures that are irreverant… instead of bringing the youth to mass you are telling them to back off and go to the old ways… THOSE ARE NOT PICTURES OF A TRUE NO. MASS!!! i’ve been to a true No. mass and it is far better than any Trad latin mass! Come to think of it i did attend one(tridentine) and i liked the No mass better…If that’s all you can do to prove a point then it makes me think bad of trads…:mad:
Podo
 
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TNT:
Actually, the Priest is addressing God except in the vernacular Scripture readings and homily.

By the way, your signature:
( may all men and women realise that they are priests in God’s Kingdom" -St John Brebeuf Parish )

I believe was first insisted upon by Martin Luther, in opposition to the Catholic Ordained priesthood.
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i don’t really mean that, and anyways why are you attacking me about my signature? this is about the tridentine mass and other things…(it doesn’t mention my signature)
Podo
 
I think the point in showing these photos is that there are many instances where the faithful are not getting to participate in a true Novus Ordo Mass. Then you have to ask yourselves…why not? The rules are simple. Why don’t the priests follow them?

As a Catholic, I have RIGHT to have the sacraments celebrated according to the rubrics and free from abuse. This is a right guaranteed to me by Canon Law, not personal preference. Why then did I have to go to several different parishes before I was able to find such a Mass?

Like the Tridentine Mass or not, but the fact that it is so strictly controlled, from the language to how the celebrant must keep his thumb and index finger touching after the consecration, makes it much less susceptible to abuse. The worst abuse I’ve ever heard of the traditional Latin Mass is that it was said too quickly. That’s pretty tame compared to some of the antics above.

There are many Catholics out there that think these things are perfectly acceptable and normal. We have a duty to educate those who don’t understand that these are grave abuses. Continue to attend your true Novus Ordo Mass, and thank God every day that you have that option.
 
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