Troy Davis makes final appeal before execution

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seekerz said:
I pray he went prepared. May God have mercy on his soul.
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From what I read he made no final statement. So I hope he was repentant.

That crime is so awful… its hard to even read what James Byrd went through.
 
anp1215 said:
And yet James Byrd’s son forgave him and requested that his life be spared. What an amazing example of forgiveness.
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Not only that but Dick Gregory showed up to protest his execution. , Gregory really emulates principaled opposition to the death penalty- condemning it even against evil people who have committed heinous crimes
 
estesbob said:
Not only that but Dick Gregory showed up to protest his execution. , Gregory really emulates principaled opposition to the death penalty- condemning it even against evil people who have committed heinous crimes
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Wow.

I really dont know if I would be able to measure up to that.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
This is the point that those who favor the death penalty conveniently overlook. An error can’t be corrected post-execution.
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Nor can the death of one of their future victims in or out of prison be corrected. Whether to call that something opponents “conveniently overlook” or not, their victims will be maimed, raped or dead, and banning the death penalty will trade the life of the next victim for that of the murderer; making the innocent pay for the moral satisfaction gained by letting the guilty off.

Look at the post about Brewer’s comment; that he would do it all again. Is there good reason to doubt that? And if it is not doubted, can it really be doubted that someday that’s exactly what he would have done?

Is deterrence no longer to be considered a proper basis for punitive actions?
 
Ridgerunner said:
Nor can the death of one of their future victims in or out of prison be corrected. Whether to call that something opponents “conveniently overlook” or not, their victims will be maimed, raped or dead, and banning the death penalty will trade the life of the next victim for that of the murderer; making the innocent pay for the moral satisfaction gained by letting the guilty off.

Look at the post about Brewer’s comment; that he would do it all again. Is there good reason to doubt that? And if it is not doubted, can it really be doubted that someday that’s exactly what he would have done?

Is deterrence no longer to be considered a proper basis for punitive actions?
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What would have been deterred by executing those who were proven innocent 10 or 20 years after conviction? Is the risk of executing an innocent person “worth it”? And if your answer is yes, would you feel the same if that innocent person were your relative or friend?
 
agnes_therese said:
What would have been deterred by executing those who were proven innocent 10 or 20 years after conviction? Is the risk of executing an innocent person “worth it”? And if your answer is yes, would you feel the same if that innocent person were your relative or friend?
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I did not say this is an easy thing. It isn’t. But given the prison system we have, killers are not deterred. It seems to me this whole question of ending the death penalty is, at this time, more properly an argument for massively increasing the expenditures on prisons so they really are secure against the violent.

I realize there are those anecdotal stories about this person or that who was “found innocent” years after the fact. I don’t think we, here, really know enough to know who all really was innocent. I don’t think anybody could possibly know without reviewing all the evidence, not just snippets taken from here or there. Some say that in recent years there were none.

prodeathpenalty.com/dp.html
 
SamH said:
People escape from prison all the time. Shouldn’t the people in the prison have some protection too?
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:ehh:

Could you tell us how many persons serving a life sentence in the US escaped from prison last year?
 
Ridgerunner said:
I realize there are those anecdotal stories about this person or that who was “found innocent” years after the fact. I don’t think we, here, really know enough to know who all really was innocent. I don’t think anybody could possibly know without reviewing all the evidence, not just snippets taken from here or there. Some say that in recent years there were none.

prodeathpenalty.com/dp.html
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DNA testing of evidence, proving that the “evidence” was not the DNA of the convicted person, is hardly “anecdotal.” Especially to those finally released.
 
agnes_therese said:
DNA testing of evidence, proving that the “evidence” was not the DNA of the convicted person, is hardly “anecdotal.” Especially to those finally released.
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I agree. Something doesn’t seem right when DNA evidence can be used to put a person to death, but when used for exoneration it can be referred to as anecdotal.:confused:
 
Dale_M said:
:ehh:

Could you tell us how many persons serving a life sentence in the US escaped from prison last year?
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It happens from time to time. The Briley brothers is one case that comes to mind. The greater danger posed to other inmates.

I don’t think that prisons should be transformed into unlivable hells as a replacement for the death penalty. The death penalty needs to be reformed so that it really is reserved for the cases where no other punishment is appropriate. A recent example would be the Washington sniper.

If one looks at the recent expansions of the death penalty, for example in Virginia, one will see that politically favored victims keep getting added, like judges. That is really not what the death penalty should be reserved for, however. And the quantum of evidence required for a conviction should be very high. I would go so far as to say that the hearsay confession should not be permitted to support a capital charge. The abuses of those are legion as to totally discredit the use of them.

The appeals system in death penalty cases also should be reformed. But, every abuse we identify with the death penalty exists in superabundance with across the entire system of criminal law.
 
I don’t think forgiving someone and believing that the death penalty is still an appropriate consequence for their actions and safeguard to society are mutually exclusive.
 
PPeterson said:
I don’t think forgiving someone and believing that the death penalty is still an appropriate consequence for their actions and safeguard to society are mutually exclusive.
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Probably not, but I find it difficult to reconcile forgiveness and wanting to see someone dead - even if that means injecting them with drugs manufactured for use in animals!
 
There were 34 eye witnesses who identified Troy Davis at both shootings. All were Afraican American like Davis. Ballistics linked his gun to both shootings.

At the trail over 30 witnesses wee called to identified Davis. Following the trial, only 7 relented or changed their story.

The Jury was made up of 7 African-Americans and 5 Whites. All were convinced he was guilty. His case was reviewed by over 50 judges over 20 years and all came to the same the conclusion as the original jury.

He was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

I would not have it to have a serial killer plan his next crime in prison or walk freely among myself, wife, children or other persons. Justice must be to done to safe-guard the public and those in law enforcement.

We should have discussions about the use of the Death Penalty et cetera, but it is a sin to lead others into error by telling lies.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Nor can the death of one of their future victims in or out of prison be corrected. Whether to call that something opponents “conveniently overlook” or not, their victims will be maimed, raped or dead, and banning the death penalty will trade the life of the next victim for that of the murderer; making the innocent pay for the moral satisfaction gained by letting the guilty off.

Look at the post about Brewer’s comment; that he would do it all again. Is there good reason to doubt that? And if it is not doubted, can it really be doubted that someday that’s exactly what he would have done?

Is deterrence no longer to be considered a proper basis for punitive actions?
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People are not punished, and certainly not executed, for what they may do in the future. It has happened that criminals in prison are sometimes repentant of their crimes and are converted to righteousness. It is possible to believe that Mr. Brewer would not have committed murder again, even if he wanted, as long as he was incarcerated. In fact, many murderer’s who are incarcerated never commit another murder.
 
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