Trump’s Immigration Plan

  • Thread starter Thread starter godisgood77
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Jesus stands with the migrants, not with people standing on our side of the border.

Whenever you draw a line that separates other people from you, Jesus is on the other side of the line. Never on your side. Migrants, prisoners, the poor, people of a different race, Muslims, it doesn’t matter, Jesus is on their side, not ours.

Every migrant who is turned away, is the equivalent of turning Jesus away. Every single one.

The Church could not possibly be clearer about this. The Bible could not possibly be clearer about this. But for two millennia Christians have been coming up with excuses to ignore Jesus.
 
As far as I know–and I may be wrong–people who are seeking to immigrate to the United States will be admitted if they have a “sponsor”, a person, people, or organization that is willing to welcome them, provide them with shelter, food, and other necessities, make sure they are signed up to learn ESL, help them find a job (minimum wage to begin with), and help them to stay on the good side of the law, all as they work towards becoming U.S. citizens.

So as far as I know (again, I may be wrong), there’s nothing stopping the Catholic Church in the U.S. from announcing that they are accepting responsibility for sponsoring _______ (fill in the blank with the largest number possible) refugees, and that they will give preference to the poor, sick, disabled, mentally-challenged, unskilled, etc. people who are seeking to immigrate to the U.S…

And as far as i know (and again, I may be wrong), there’s nothing stopping an individual, family, business, club, sports team, etc. from putting out the word that they are seeking to sponsor the poor, sick, disabled, mentally-challenged, unskilled, etc. people who are seeking to immigrate to the U.S.

So go for it, Godisgood77, and Godspeed to you! And everyone else who agrees, tell your parish that you would like them to please sponsor as many poor, sick, disabled, mentally-challenged, and unskilled people and families as possible who are seeking to immigrate to the U.S. This would be an incredible witness of God’s love to all those who don’t believe in God and/or His Church.

In the meantime, it makes a lot of logical common sense to admit the skilled, financially-secure, healthy, intelligent people first. Theoretically, they will be able to adjust more quickly to the U.S., make friends among established American citizens, find gainful employment, and establish a secure home, and are probably less likely to be led astray into crime–and then they, in turn, will be able to sponsor their less-fortunate friends and relatives into their new country.

Do you realize that if there is a disaster (e.g., a fire) in a hospital, we who work there are supposed to help the AMBULATORY patients (those who can walk on their own) out of the building first, then the patients who use wheelchairs and other mobility devices (e.g., walkers), and LAST of all, we help the bed-ridden patients out. It sounds cruel, doesn’t it? But it makes sense. If we were to reverse this order, there would be greater loss of life.

Sometimes, it makes sense to give the first chance to those who will make wise use of it, and follow this up with helping those who are in more need of support systems.

And again, as I said, as far as I know, there is nothing stopping those who feel convicted that the poor and unskilled should be helped first from stepping up and helping them.
 
Last edited:
Its not discrimination. Immigration qualifications are designed to meet desired levels of applicants with qualities meeting the needs of the country or those granted admission for protection from grave harm. A country has the good right to conduct its people’s business as a family does. What is hard to understand about correcting mistakes in our legal system!
 
It doesn’t work that way at all.

You can only sponsor a first order family member (parent, child, sibling), under very specific circumstances - and Trump wants to end that as well, he calls it “chain migration” to make it sound more sinister than its actual name: Family Based Migration.

Businesses can also sponsor people under specific circumstances, but those are very limited - and Trump wants to reduce this as well.

Churches and individuals cannot sponsor people like you suggest.

Face it, Trump and his administration just don’t want immigrants here. All who agree with them are ignoring the Bible, the Church, and Jesus’ command to love the migrant. God commands love for migrants more than any other single thing in the entire Bible. More than abortion restrictions, more than capitalism, more than being rich, more than anything. Christians are really good at ignoring those commands.
 
Last edited:
It’s kind of odd but letting in “anyone”, also would seem to mess with our genetics as well. That could be seen as eugenics too, I’d think.

And reading the NPR article, it does talk about religion. So, phrase it however one wants. I do wish to keep our Christian heritage and I know that history is not perfect in this regard.

The US would not let polygamy as practice by the Church of Latter Day Saints take hold. Is that eugenics too?

Also, as Cardinal Sarah alluded too, economic migrants are different than refugees. Economic migrants seems to mean “poor” and that is from the word of Cardinal Sarah, that society should be respected to, the national character of a country.
 
billsherman said:
It doesn’t work that way at all.

You can only sponsor a first order family member (parent, child, sibling), under very specific circumstances - and Trump wants to end that as well, he calls it “chain migration” to make it sound more sinister than its actual name: Family Based Migration.

Businesses can also sponsor people under specific circumstances, but those are very limited - and Trump wants to reduce this as well.

Churches and individuals cannot sponsor people like you suggest.

Face it, Trump and his administration just don’t want immigrants here. All who agree with them are ignoring the Bible, the Church, and Jesus’ command to love the migrant. God commands love for migrants more than any other single thing in the entire Bible. More than abortion restrictions, more than capitalism, more than being rich, more than anything. Christians are really good at ignoring those commands.
Click to expand...
Again, don’t assume what you say meshes with Catholic teaching because it may not. The Bishops, the Vatican have put out statements on immigration. None of us need to be armchair preachers on this matter.
 
From the article:
When President Donald Trump, frustrated during a bipartisan immigration meeting in the White House, reportedly asked last month why the U.S. was protecting immigrants from “shithole countries,” he appeared to be privileging the immigration status, if not the biology, of some people from certain lands. It harkens back to an era when race mattered a great deal in terms of one’s status, rights and opportunities — all to our nation’s social detriment.
Click to expand...
Nonsense. He was stating the obvious, that the governments of these countries, not surprisingly authoritarian and usually socialist to one degree of another , create such a horrific standard of living that the term fits.
It is only the identity politics left, the progeny of the eugenics racists of the early 20th century, who view Trump’s statement that way.
 
Last edited:
Have you supported pro-abortion politicians too, like these websites you link to are known for supporting?

And again, we are a nation with a Christian heritage, even that is weakened, it could really be weakened if we are not careful.

@BillSherman Sorry, Life is going to be a fundamental right, before everything else.
 
Victoria33 said:
Have you supported pro-abortion politicians too, like these websites you link to are known for supporting?
Click to expand...
Are we talking about abortion now? Why conflate the two issues? Why not address the issue?

I still have this question for you, do you assent to the Church’s teaching on the preferential option for the poor?

I’m a bit dumbfounded that you won’t answer that simple question
 
Last edited:
I don’t really see what abortion policy has to do with immigration. That sounds like a red herring to me.

Jesus said “Love your neighbor,” not “Love your neighbor, only if you have time after you go to that pro-life rally.”

You are either with Jesus, the Bible, and the Church on loving and caring for migrants, or you aren’t. Your stance on any other issue is not an excuse to ignore God’s clear and obvious command to care for migrants.
 
grotto said:
Your link is from the Huffington Post - tasteless fake news
Click to expand...
I often see links from Fox News or Breitbart or MSNBC or CNN or Lifesite or churchmilitant, etc… and I understand the urge to dismiss it. However, I try to argue based on the merit of the argument, not who is saying it.
 
godisgood77 said:
I still have this question for you, do you assent to the Church’s teaching on the preferential option for the poor?

I’m a bit dumbfounded that you won’t answer that simple question
Click to expand...
If that’s the Church’s position, please show me an encyclical saying this and it may well say that but I will take the totality of the statement. After all, I"m trying to follow the Catholic Church. If I wanted to know what individuals discern from the Bible, I will go to a Protestant Church.
 
billsherman said:
I don’t really see what abortion policy has to do with immigration. That sounds like a red herring to me.
Click to expand...
You were the one who mentioned this, excuse me.
. God commands love for migrants more than any other single thing in the entire Bible. More than abortion restrictions, more than capitalism, more than being rich, more than anything. Christians are really good at ignoring those commands.
Click to expand...
 
Victoria33 said:
You were the one who mentioned this, excuse me.
Click to expand...
I wasn’t saying that abortion policy and immigration policy are in any way related, just making the point that God issued commands about loving immigrants vastly more often than he did about abortion.

Sorry I wasn’t clear enough.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top