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godisgood77
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I recommend starting with Rerum Novarum and then move through the remainder listed here:
https://www.catholicsocialteaching.org.uk/principles/documents/
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https://www.catholicsocialteaching.org.uk/principles/documents/
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Victoria33
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Jesus founded a Church, he didn’t found a book. I am going with the Roman Catholic Church. I’m sorry. Not open interpretation of the Bible. I might as well be a protestant.
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Victoria33
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And in response, we have Cardinal Sarah’s word on immigration above, per with economic migrants versus refugees. I doubt if the good Cardinal has erred. And with that, I got the message I’m posting too much or at least to one person.
I do think to smear someone is very wrong.
I think we should be good stewarts of our Christian heritage as well.
I do think we should be consistent with Catholic principles, so that does mean, not to support “pro-choice” politicians which I couldn’t get a straight answer on. We can’t rob Peter to pay Paul.
Again, we have the word of Cardinals, we have encyclicals and the words of Cardinals on this issue.
I do think to smear someone is very wrong.
I think we should be good stewarts of our Christian heritage as well.
I do think we should be consistent with Catholic principles, so that does mean, not to support “pro-choice” politicians which I couldn’t get a straight answer on. We can’t rob Peter to pay Paul.
Again, we have the word of Cardinals, we have encyclicals and the words of Cardinals on this issue.
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That is a really odd reaction to my post, but OK, let’s go with it.
The Church has been abundantly clear that the Trump Administration’s immigration policies are out of step with Christianity. Let’s go to just a few examples from diverse news sources (and yes, there are probably hundreds of others out there), but you are probably going to ignore these as well:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nvolved/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c287e5e1bdbc
US bishops condemn immigration policies that separate families at border
The U.S. bishops began their annual spring assembly by condemning policies from the Trump administration that have separated families at the U.S.-Mexico border.
www.ncronline.org
https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-u...o-border-to-protest-trump-immigration-policy/
Catholic bishops issue scathing statement on Trump's family separation policy
"We have to make America great, as our president says, but we're not going to make America great by making America mean," said Thomas Wenski, the Archbishop of Miami
www.cbsnews.com
https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-u...ps-oppose-trumps-call-for-national-emergency/
Bishops and Catholic groups set to highlight immigration injustices
A group of bishops, including the head of the U.S. bishops conference, will visit the border early next week.
www.americamagazine.org
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Rofl. Says the guy always calling for conservatives to be forced out of polite society and who fully supports shout downs and occasional violence against speakers he doesn’t like.
Climate refugees! Good one, keep em coming
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John24
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I can yell you’re very well-read lol
I’m sure you know the difference between a building fire and immigration processes that can take months and years.
This is literally the same justification used by the eugenicists of yore.
What an odd non sequitur.
The suffering of billions is so funny!
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godisgood77
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I hope you’re not directing that comment at me? I am staunchly pro-life - as it relates to abortion and immigration.
I have no idea how abortion was injected in to the discussion … as another poster commented, it is a bit of a red herring
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FirstFiveEighth
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FYI, eugenics is the attempt to improve the health of the human population by selective breeding and other population control measures meant to weed out “weak” individuals who suffer from genetic defects or some other “ailment”. Usually carried out by a government.
So someone who, say, advocates for and practices the eradication of people with Down syndrome by ending those children’s life in the womb practice eugenics. Not something advocated for by the Trump administration by the way, but is by certain elements of the opposition party.
What eugenics is not, is having immigration controls. That’s called being a sovereign nation. And all indications are that Kushner’s proposal has very little to do with limiting immigration numbers.
So someone who, say, advocates for and practices the eradication of people with Down syndrome by ending those children’s life in the womb practice eugenics. Not something advocated for by the Trump administration by the way, but is by certain elements of the opposition party.
What eugenics is not, is having immigration controls. That’s called being a sovereign nation. And all indications are that Kushner’s proposal has very little to do with limiting immigration numbers.
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godisgood77, may I ask, please, how you show preference for the poor?
Are you a social worker? Do you teach in a bilingual school? Do you work with an immigration agency?
It’s really, really hard mentally and emotionally draining work, and I respect all who are involved with helping the poor. I know that God gives strength to those who are called to this ministry.
My husband and I were involved with a Protestant church who sponsored 22 refugees from the Dega nation in Viet Nam. It was very rewarding but very hard work. We had a family of four (Mom, Dad, Grandpa, and small son, and Mom was pregnant with a daughter) living with us for several months—interesting times! Our two daughters were 5 and 3 at the time, and it was good for them to get to know people from another culture with another language. I remember fixing a turkey for Thanksgiving dinner, and when I threw the carcass away (I wasn’t much of a soup maker at that time!), the woman (I don’t want to give her name) told me, “In my country, we would eat that.” I fished it out and made soup!
Anyway, I’m very sorry to hear that churches are not allowed to sponsor refugees anymore. Do you know the reasons why they are no longer allowed to sponsor? Was there some kind of abuse? Or were they not fulfilling their responsibilities? It just makes sense to give the work of caring for the poor to churches. Usually when that responsibility is taken away, it is not because of a dictum from the President, but because some kind of abuse or inadequacy is revealed, and laws are made to protect people from being victims.
Also, do you know if true Christian churches (those who still teach traditional Catholic and Protestant Christianity, not those who are welcoming other gods and spirits into their midst and are insisting on teachings that are opposed to traditional Christianity like abortion rights) are issuing a protest to Pres. Trump? I would really appreciate a link.
I read several denominational magazines, including one from the denomination of that Protestant church we attended that sponsored the 22 refugees, and I would think that they would be leading the pack to protest not being allowed to sponsor refugees anymore. I also read Christianity Today, which is considered somewhat “liberal” by many of the conservative Protestant denominations, and I have seen nothing yet protesting Pres. Trump’s policies, but I’ll admit that I have not yet read the current issue, and I never read the online articles.
Or was it Pres Trump who forbade churches from sponsoring refugees? Did this happen in a previous administration? Or does it vary from state to state?
I’m just really surprised to see churches lose the privilege of sponsoring refugees.
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godisgood77
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Good … no one is suggesting that
You’re right, it does not have to do with limiting numbers. It has to do with selecting status and limiting immigrants from certain countries… which of course is bad news.
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FirstFiveEighth
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Hey, don’t support fascist tactics that advance your pet ideas, and I won’t laugh when you accuse everyone you disagree with of being a fascist. Well, I probably will, but I won’t be able to point out the irony.
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godisgood77
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My wife, children and I support several local charities with our giving… we tend to support St Vincent DePaul as much as we can. Additionally, we cook and deliver meals to poor local families a few times a week.
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FirstFiveEighth
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No one has a right to immigrate to this country. There is nothing wrong with requiring most immigrants to be something other than low/unskilled labor. Especially since they force young/unskilled Americans out of the workforce and keep wages low for unskilled labor. Importing unskilled labor is great for big companies in certain industries, but bad for American workers. Especially at a time where we still have somewhere around 9% of employable men who dropped out of the labor force and have not yet reentered it. This country should have a policy of encouraging American employment, not flooding Americans out of their own market.
And for the record I am a first generation American, so I am not unfamiliar with immigration.
And for the record I am a first generation American, so I am not unfamiliar with immigration.
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Two brief quotes from the USCCB:
“People have the right to migrate to sustain their lives and the lives of their families.”
“The native does not have superior rights over the immigrant. Before God all are equal; the earth was given by God to all. When a person cannot achieve a meaningful life in his or her own land, that person has the right to move.”
The full document is located here:
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...n-immigration-and-the-movement-of-peoples.cfm
As I wrote above, people in this thread are just continuing the 2,000 year old practice of ignoring Jesus, the Bible, and the Church’s commands to love immigrants. It’s a lot easier to claim that Jesus didn’t really mean it when he said “love your neighbor” than it is to actually love your neighbor.
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Absolutely so and also, back to eugenics. Hey, anyone voting for politicians who hold Planned Parenthood dear, as the Democrats very heavily support are, I’m sorry, voting for eugenics as stated earlier. Margaret Sanger was really into eugenics, so I hope no one lays the “that’s not on-topic” line on others because actually, it is very much on topic.
Senator Susan Collins, Republican even received some sort of honor from Planned Parenthood, I don’t think it was their top award, the Sanger award but something.
Planned Parenthood Targets Sen. Collins’s Kavanaugh Vote in New Ads | National Review
Planned Parenthood Action Fund has unveiled a six-figure ad buy urging the moderate Maine Republican to oppose Judge Kavanaugh’s confirmation.
www.nationalreview.com
So, let’s not be hypocritical, if one votes for certain politicians, then, you are supporting eugenics-types of philosophies.
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10 commandments, thou shalt not kill, Old Testament. God addresses abortion.
There’s also a lot of Jewish law involved in all of that, I won’t get into now.
> Because there seems to be no end to poverty, war, and misery in the world, developed nations will continue to experience pressure from many peoples who desire to resettle in their lands. Catholic social teaching is realistic: While people have the right to move, no country has the duty to receive so many immigrants that its social and economic life are jeopardized.
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> For this reason, Catholics should not view the work of the federal government and its immigration control as negative or evil. Those who work to enforce our nation’s immigration laws often do so out of a sense of loyalty to the common good and compassion for poor people seeking a better life. In an ideal world, there would be no need for immigration control. The Church recognizes that this ideal world has not yet been achieved.
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> Third Principle: A country must regulate its borders with justice and mercy.
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...n-immigration-and-the-movement-of-peoples.cfm
There’s also a lot of Jewish law involved in all of that, I won’t get into now.
> Because there seems to be no end to poverty, war, and misery in the world, developed nations will continue to experience pressure from many peoples who desire to resettle in their lands. Catholic social teaching is realistic: While people have the right to move, no country has the duty to receive so many immigrants that its social and economic life are jeopardized.
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> For this reason, Catholics should not view the work of the federal government and its immigration control as negative or evil. Those who work to enforce our nation’s immigration laws often do so out of a sense of loyalty to the common good and compassion for poor people seeking a better life. In an ideal world, there would be no need for immigration control. The Church recognizes that this ideal world has not yet been achieved.
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> Third Principle: A country must regulate its borders with justice and mercy.
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...n-immigration-and-the-movement-of-peoples.cfm
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Indeed. …
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godisgood77
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I’m 3rd generation and know a little too
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