Trump abolishes controversial commission studying voter fraud

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They are already cheap, and so cheap that only a very, very, very few people don’t have them.

Americans have incredible privileges. One of those privileges is the right to vote. But with privileges comes RESPONSIBILITY. If you are not responsible enough to go get a state ID, then you don’t deserve the privilege of voting (or driving, or buying alcohol or cigarettes, or opening a bank account, or buying a firearm, or buying sudafed, etc, etc ad nauseum).
 
JoshuaIsLord said:
Draw your own conclusions about the honestly factor among Republicans.
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Yes, because you should conclude that every Republican is evil and dishonest because of one persons alleged claim.

How about some Charity for half of your fellow American citizens.
 
Boatswain2PA said:
Likewise libs to ensure no fraudulent votes from conservative areas.

Poll watchers can only follow the laws. If I show up and say my name is Eric Holder, they can’t make me prove it. That renders them ineffective in that regard, limiting them to just ensuring nobody is physically stuffing the ballots.
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But, if someone else shows up later that happens to be the real Eric Holder, I’m pretty sure they would say something and we would hear about it.
Boatswain2PA said:
I agree we don’t need to implement excessive burdens on voters without overriding data of voter fraud, which we don’t have. However we DO have significant anecdotal evidence of voter fraud, and there is a SIGNIFICANT security lapse in many states that is easily fixed with virtually no burden on the voter: requiring voter ID verification.
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This isn’t a burden for many people, but it is a significant burden for some and that has to be taken into account.
 
Boatswain2PA said:
Yes, because you should conclude that every Republican is evil and dishonest because of one persons alleged claim.
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Every is your word. Not mine.

Just like “All have sinned” does not denote “Every single One”
 
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Boatswain2PA said:
They are already cheap, and so cheap that only a very, very, very few people don’t have them.

Americans have incredible privileges. One of those privileges is the right to vote. But with privileges comes RESPONSIBILITY. If you are not responsible enough to go get a state ID, then you don’t deserve the privilege of voting (or driving, or buying alcohol or cigarettes, or opening a bank account, or buying a firearm, or buying sudafed, etc, etc ad nauseum).
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Cheap isn’t the same is available. If you don’t drive and there’s no DMV office nearby, then getting an ID is going to be very hard. And voting is a right, not a privilege, and interfering, intentionally or not, is a violation of the Fifth Amendment.

So how about this. If you think IDs are important to keeping elections honest, then let’s agree that voter ID must be free and easily available to anyone regardless of where they live.
 
Boatswain2PA said:
Nothing in life is free.
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I said free to the voter. Sure the taxpayer will have to cough up on some dough, but since you seem to believe that voter fraud is rampant, and that voter ID is absolutely necessary, well, it strikes me that making sure every eligible voter has voter ID by having the taxpayer pay for it represents a reasonable solution to the problem.

Unless of course, there really isn’t that big a problem, and the intent of voter ID coupled with reducing the overall availability of voter ID in minority areas is to make sure as few of those minorities vote as possible. That would be voter suppression coupled with a largely fabricated excuse for what.

Why is it your so against highly available free voter ID? I mean, you do want everyone to vote, right?
 
I do not want everyone to vote.

I want responsible people to vote. There is nothing racist about that, I see plenty of people of all skin colors who are irresponsible.
 
Furthermore, if states want to make voter ID’S free, the I’m fine with that. But to force states to provide free id’s is not ok.
 
Boatswain2PA said:
I do not want everyone to vote.

I want responsible people to vote. There is nothing racist about that, I see plenty of people of all skin colors who are irresponsible.
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Okay, I’ll bite. Define “responsible” in regards to voting? And for bonus points, tell us what needs to be done to keep “irresponsible” people from voting?
 
Boatswain2PA said:
Getting a state sponsored ID.
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But then we get to the point where if the state intentionally limits the ability to get that ID, we have voter suppression. It almost seems like you are backhandedly trying to justify voter suppression.
 
Boatswain2PA said:
I do not want everyone to vote.

I want responsible people to vote. There is nothing racist about that, I see plenty of people of all skin colors who are irresponsible.
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Bold to take an anti-democratic position on a Catholic forum.
 
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