Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones

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Jeanne_S said:
Bill1940;14522179:
He didn’t lie.He answered all the questions asked of him honestly and appropriately.He wasn’t asked anything about this issue soecifically
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Exactly, which is why it:

A). Strikes me odd that he would immediately provide an answer about his own PERSONAL communications with Russia (despite having never been asked that).

and

B). Lie about it. He did. If it were innocuous communications, why lie?

Seriously, people. Wake up.
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OrdinaryMelkite said:
Have you seen the link and gone through other links on the internet related to that?

Also, you forget that it is highly unlikely that folks will just decide to come and expose something so evil. Their lives will be forfeit.

And just because the networks tell you there is no there there does not mean there is no there there.

What kind of proof do you need? Anderson Cooper telling you it’s the truth? Obama and the Clintons and even the Bushes doing mea culpas on Tv while on their way to jail?

The government telling you? NEVER trust ANYTHING the government tells you. Weigh what you know against what they tell and find the most reasonable truth THAT way. And depend on God and Christ alone to give you the ultimate truth.

Maybe that scream of the child in middle of the video----coming from that same pizza place----is not enough to raise an “hmmmmmph?”

Like I said, it’s your choice-----but do not be arbitrarily assuming that decide what is or what is not acceptable here.

Since we are getting off-track, “apparently,” let us go back to the Op topic----but it may be tangentially related to the other point at hand—who knows.
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Yes, please get back on topic and keep this conspiracy nonsense off of this (once respectable) forum.
 
TMC said:
What pictures are you talking about? If you have pictures that you think show hundreds of prominent politicians committing pedophilia, send them to the FBI.
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Do you want to see the pictures?
 
flowerz4rabbits said:
I am confused by this thread.

Let’s assume there was indeed wiretapping.

If that’s so, a federal judge would have needed to sign off on the order. In order to sign off on such an order, there would need to be a great burden of proof that Trump had engaged in treasonous affairs. This is not the MSM. This is the law of our land.

What is the issue here that I am missing?
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You assume hypothetically. In reality, all you need is a friendly judge who is willing to sign the order. If you have an AG who is beholden to the President and want it done, it is not impossible to get it done but it is an abuse of power. That was basically the complaint.

There is an investigation on this and hopefully they would get to the bottom of it. So there is probably more than meet the eye.
 
TMC said:
What pictures are you talking about? If you have pictures that you think show hundreds of prominent politicians committing pedophilia, send them to the FBI.
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I wouldn’t bother clicking that link. It features such incriminating evidence as “Hillary Clinton eating a slice of pizza” and what looks like a storage trunk that someone has decided is a “child sized coffin.”

Besides, he would just say, “Oh, the FBI is in on it too, don’t be naive.” I can’t even engage on this anymore. It’s ridiculous. If people want to burn calories pretending to be the plucky gumshoe cracking the case, fine. Just know that it has real world consequences when waterheads like the guy in North Carolina terrify people with guns because of the paranoid nonsense you whipped up. I hope it was worth it so you could feel like the heroic underdog.
 
dvdjs said:
Just an aisde. An ad hominem argument is fallacious logically - it cannot, logically, prove a proposition. But tit is not without value. A reputation developed over time is a decent indicator of the reliability of a source, even if it not logically probative or utterly foolproof. And similarly for sources of ill-repute. Pointing out that an arguent is ad hominem is really ho-hum.
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Ok. That proves that your knowledge of rhetoric and logic is better than mine. Cool. 👍👍

I was just pointing out that attacking the carrier of the message while ignoring the evidence (whether objectively credible or not) is typical of debunkers.

If TMC decides after watching the Youtube screen that he is still not convinced, ok. But don’t dismiss it without considering the points. That is what he/she seemed to be doing.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
Have you seen the link and gone through other links on the internet related to that?

Also, you forget that it is highly unlikely that folks will just decide to come and expose something so evil. Their lives will be forfeit.

And just because the networks tell you there is no there there does not mean there is no there there.

What kind of proof do you need? Anderson Cooper telling you it’s the truth? Obama and the Clintons and even the Bushes doing mea culpas on Tv while on their way to jail?

The government telling you? NEVER trust ANYTHING the government tells you. Weigh what you know against what they tell and find the most reasonable truth THAT way. And depend on God and Christ alone to give you the ultimate truth.

Maybe that scream of the child in middle of the video----coming from that same pizza place----is not enough to raise an “hmmmmmph?”

Like I said, it’s your choice-----but do not be arbitrarily assuming that decide what is or what is not acceptable here.

Since we are getting off-track, “apparently,” let us go back to the Op topic----but it may be tangentially related to the other point at hand—who knows.
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Good grief.

I live in one of the cities that was implicated as part of “pizza gate.”

East Side Pies in Austin, TX is .25 miles away from me. They have a killer smoked salmon pizza, but it’s a bummer they raised their prices. My friend works there.

There is no child sex scandal ring, but there might be a dreadlocked white kid smoking weed in the walk-in cooler.

I wish someone would address my earlier, more pertinent post. Funny no one has. I’ll repeat it here:
I am confused by this thread.
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Let’s assume there was indeed wiretapping.
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If that’s so, a federal judge would have needed to sign off on the order. In order to sign off on such an order, there would need to be a great burden of proof that Trump had engaged in treasonous affairs. This is not the MSM. This is the law of our land.
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What is the issue here that I am missing?
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ThinkingSapien said:
It feels like it’s becoming more of a conspiracy speculation thread.
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You do not want to believe the facts in the video links I post. We care for the children.

Ephesians 6:12
For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
It feels like it’s becoming more of a conspiracy speculation thread.
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Maybe it is but some pertinent questions need to be answered. For example, from where did the leaks come from? How did they know about the content of the phone conversation between Trump’s campaign supporters and the Russian ambassador? If there was no wiretapping, who were the source of the information then?
 
flowerz4rabbits said:
Good grief.

I live in one of the cities that was implicated as part of “pizza gate.”

East Side Pies in Austin, TX is .25 miles away from me. They have a killer smoked salmon pizza, but it’s a bummer they raised their prices. My friend works there.

There is no child sex scandal ring, but there might be a dreadlocked white kid smoking weed in the walk-in cooler.

This place. I wish someone would address my earlier, more pertinent post. Funny no one has. I’ll repeat it here:
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In any case it is bad form to condemn something without first investigating.

And for better or worse, that pizza place has been latched on by both the right and left as fodder for their supposed “paranoia.”

An offshoot of the main topic related to the whole Pizza place so people started arguing about it, so I put my two cents in.

Excuse me. 🤷🤷
 
Reuben_J said:
Maybe it is but some pertinent questions need to be answered. For example, from where did the leaks come from? How did they know about the content of the phone conversation between Trump’s campaign supporters and the Russian ambassador? If there was no wiretapping, who were the source of the information then?
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Good points.
 
Reuben_J said:
You assume hypothetically. In reality, all you need is a friendly judge who is willing to sign the order. If you have an AG who is beholden to the President and want it done, it is not impossible to get it done but it is an abuse of power. That was basically the complaint.

There is an investigation on this and hopefully they would get to the bottom of it. So there is probably more than meet the eye.
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We can agree there.

I personally have more faith in our justice department than President Trump, who has a track record of lying.

But perhaps time will tell.

Just be cautious of believing everything he says with no evidence to back it up, please.

I read the Intelligence Committee appointed to investigate the Russia ties has also stated that they will investigate the wire tapping allegations as part of the probe. Will be interesting to see what happens.

My next question, if they deemed wire tapping occurred, but was legally justifiable - would you believe them? What differentiates fake news vs. real news to you? Where is the line? Is it only determined by the source?

That’s what scares me.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
And I thought they wanted “proof.”:rolleyes::rolleyes:
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You’re right, that picture of Hillary Clinton eating a slice of pizza sure is irrefutable evidence, boy. Not to mention Miley Cyrus’ face superimposed over a pizza. That sure is rock solid evidence of a conspiracy involving hundreds of people.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
**In any case it is bad form to condemn something without first investigating. **

And for better or worse, that pizza place has been latched on by both the right and left as fodder for their supposed “paranoia.”

An offshoot of the main topic related to the whole Pizza place so people started arguing about it, so I put my two cents in.

Excuse me. 🤷🤷
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Honestly, the best pizza in Austin, and maybe some of the best I’ve tried in my many travels. I highly suggest you “investigate.”

Check out their menu. My pal works there, so I’m sure he’d be more than obliged to give you a tour of the so-called “sex dungeon.”

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
You’re right, that picture of Hillary Clinton eating a slice of pizza sure is irrefutable evidence, boy. Not to mention Miley Cyrus’ face superimposed over a pizza. That sure is rock solid evidence of a conspiracy involving hundreds of people.
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I was being sarcastic just like you are being sarcastic.

And you taking a little part of an hour documentary to sink the entire idea that something might be going on (How absurd on its plain facets!) without bothering to at least consider the possibility of something really chaps my hide. I did not say that video was the whole proof. People who are curious research and look at all available outlets of evidence. Fine, you’re not interested in doing that, fine. But do not be berating me or others here about what I should or not be talking about here if we feel it is relevant to the discussion.

So far the mods have not given me message to stop.

But tell you what, I will. For the sake of sleep and the fact(so help me God) you are really making me lose my temper and charity and I really do not want to say something which will get me banned. Or will make me lose my Christian charity and decorum. Through the prayers of the Mother Of God, have mercy on us and save us. Have a nice night, BBM. Amen.

Thank you SO much for your consideration and Christian charity. It’s so nice I came back after years away to get offhandedly labeled a conspiracy theorist simply because I asked another poster not to dismiss without investigating and asking questions. I guess I should just crawl into my bed and suck my thumb and drool.

God help me. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :signofcross: :nope: :signofcross:
 
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