Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones

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Michael68 said:
If there is Russia investigation, are wire taps or other surveillance being used? How is this investigation you so dearly want being conducted? Obviously surveillance of several types are being used. And he might be wrong about the type of surveillance , but not the fact there is surveillance.
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You’re just making stuff up. The FBI and NSA didn’t “no comment” the wiretap/surveillance question. They affirmatively said that they need a specific procedure to get one in place, and that they had zero knowledge of that existing.

Feel free to keep believing this, just know its a conspiracy theory based on zero fact, and goes against the words of our intelligence communities.
 
joshman1 said:
You’re just making stuff up. The FBI and NSA didn’t “no comment” the wiretap/surveillance question. They affirmatively said that they need a specific procedure to get one in place, and that they had zero knowledge of that existing.

Feel free to keep believing this, just know its a conspiracy theory based on zero fact, and goes against the words of our intelligence communities.
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You mean like Russia caused Hillary to lose? Whatever dude!
 
joshman1 said:
Uh… okay. I never said that, stop deflecting.
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You say I believe a conspiracy theory. Look at the one you believe . You never said those words, but you do think Russia had a part in Hillary losing right? You’re all for this investigation right? Don’t start throwing conspiracy theory around when you are fallinf for the biggest one!
 
Michael68 said:
Oh my! Still can’t accept the fact Hillary lost fair and square! Now its bots! ROFL
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This will be my last response to you in awhile, because I think it’s becoming pointless. But I will say that I hope you take a step back and start engaging in discussions honestly, instead of just pushing your same five or six posts and living in a Trump bubble. I get the sense that you don’t read and consider what people say, and you’re not open to considering new information. It’s a shame. Good luck.
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
This will be my last response to you in awhile, because I think it’s becoming pointless. But I will say that I hope you take a step back and start engaging in discussions honestly, instead of just pushing your same five or six posts and living in a Trump bubble. I get the sense that you don’t read and consider what people say, and you’re not open to considering new information. It’s a shame. Good luck.
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Understood. You can harp on Trump all you want to.
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
This will be my last response to you in awhile, because I think it’s becoming pointless. But I will say that I hope you take a step back and start engaging in discussions honestly, instead of just pushing your same five or six posts and living in a Trump bubble. I get the sense that you don’t read and consider what people say, and you’re not open to considering new information. It’s a shame. Good luck.
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That’s ok. I will stay on this Russia thing until somebody comes up with some evidence and they have to admit they were spying on Trump and his administration . The FBI is in a bad position here. But if you think I should lay off it, sorry that’s not a good reason.
 
Michael68 said:
That’s ok. I will stay on this Russia thing until somebody comes up with some evidence and they have to admit they were spying on Trump and his administration . The FBI is in a bad position here. But if you think I should lay off it, sorry that’s not a good reason.
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Imagine thinking that its the FBI, not Trump, that’s in a bad position here.

Think we’re all done with this thread.
 
Michael68 said:
That’s ok. I will stay on this Russia thing until somebody comes up with some evidence and they have to admit they were spying on Trump and his administration . The FBI is in a bad position here. But if you think I should lay off it, sorry that’s not a good reason.
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Excuse me for interrupting but wasn’t Obama criticized for NOT acting on the Russia thing until he imposed sanctions?
 
We are not dealing with speculation of who won or lost the election nor are we speculating on whether Russian interference caused Hillary to lose the election. I have no dog in this fight other than focusing on FACTS and TRUTH.

This is a misdirection ploy by Trump to get his base to focus on their past hatred of Clinton and Obama to avoid focusing the spotlight on the administration illegal financial entanglements and connections with Russian Oligarchs, money laundering and violation of the emolument cause has worked for him. It’s based on cult of personality. His entire life has focused to serve only on one person, himself. His business record speaks for itself.

Fact: Trump accusing Obama of wiretapping is a LIE. Both the NSA and FBI stated as such. Wiretapping requires a Federal Judge authorization. This is on phone lines not FISA metadata of cell phones. FACT: The president has the authority to declassify all information to prove such an accusation. He has offered no proof to date clearly indicating it is a LIE. The illogicacy of such a motive would mean Obama gathered all the intel info on Trump, kept it to himself and rode off into the sunset as it didn’t help Clinton one bit in winning the election.

Only from the brainwashed hysterical viewers watching AlexJones InforWars doctored taped and conspiracy loonnies spiel throwing misdirection shrills of racist hatred toward the President Obama who has been falsely accused of being a Gay foreign born Muslim only fuels the money coffers of these rabid talk show hosts.

Trump is willing to malign the reputation of a former president with a 56% approval rating on leaving office as he did with maligning the reputation of of Ted Cruz calling him lying Ted stating his dad was involved in the Kennedy assasination and insuting his wife. Who does such things?

**FACT:**Putin bots and troll army were in used in the election to support Trump by creating fake news that disparage Clinton and elevated Trump. All one had to do was look at the WAPO, UK Guardian, Facebook, Twitter, etc comment section sudden massive explosion to 10-15k comments on any article not favorable on Trump. The comments themselves, were written in poor English with little understanding of the American politcal system. On twitter, you had Pro Trump accounts created in a day with 100k tweets, 200k followerers etc. clearly created by bots.
 
FBI was monitoring Trump as early as summer of 2016.

IN ADDITION to the FISA court request that was approved.

AND just prior to Trump taking office, Obama allowed MANY subordinate groups access to information not previously allowed … and that info has been leaked.

One of the committee members complained that intelligence information previously discussed in confidentiality was being now discussed outside of confidentiality. Which is a practical impossibility. Same info being discussed in confidentiality and outside of confidentiality. Which puts both Comey and the members in very difficult circumstances.

Report to follow.
 
Abynissa said:
We are not dealing with speculation of who won or lost the election nor are we speculating on whether Russian interference caused Hillary to lose the election. I have no dog in this fight other than focusing on FACTS and TRUTH.

This is a misdirection ploy by Trump to get his base to focus on their past hatred of Clinton and Obama to avoid focusing the spotlight on the administration illegal financial entanglements and connections with Russian Oligarchs, money laundering and violation of the emolument cause has worked for him. It’s based on cult of personality. His entire life has focused to serve only on one person, himself. His business record speaks for itself.

Fact: Trump accusing Obama of wiretapping is a LIE. Both the NSA and FBI stated as such. Wiretapping requires a Federal Judge authorization. This is on phone lines not FISA metadata of cell phones. FACT: The president has the authority to declassify all information to prove such an accusation. He has offered no proof to date clearly indicating it is a LIE. The illogicacy of such a motive would mean Obama gathered all the intel info on Trump, kept it to himself and rode off into the sunset as it didn’t help Clinton one bit in winning the election.

Only from the brainwashed hysterical viewers watching AlexJones InforWars doctored taped and conspiracy loonnies spiel throwing misdirection shrills of racist hatred toward the President Obama who has been falsely accused of being a Gay foreign born Muslim only fuels the money coffers of these rabid talk show hosts.

Trump is willing to malign the reputation of a former president with a 56% approval rating on leaving office as he did with maligning the reputation of of Ted Cruz calling him lying Ted stating his dad was involved in the Kennedy assasination and insuting his wife. Who does such things?

**FACT:**Putin bots and troll army were in used in the election to support Trump by creating fake news that disparage Clinton and elevated Trump. All one had to do was look at the WAPO, UK Guardian, Facebook, Twitter, etc comment section sudden massive explosion to 10-15k comments on any article not favorable on Trump. The comments themselves, were written in poor English with little understanding of the American politcal system. On twitter, you had Pro Trump accounts created in a day with 100k tweets, 200k followerers etc. clearly created by bots.
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FACT: This is a good post. 👍
 
Abynissa said:
We are not dealing with speculation of who won or lost the election nor are we speculating on whether Russian interference caused Hillary to lose the election. I have no dog in this fight other than focusing on FACTS and TRUTH.

This is a misdirection ploy by Trump to get his base to focus on their past hatred of Clinton and Obama to avoid focusing the spotlight on the administration illegal financial entanglements and connections with Russian Oligarchs, money laundering and violation of the emolument cause has worked for him. It’s based on cult of personality. His entire life has focused to serve only on one person, himself. His business record speaks for itself.

Fact: Trump accusing Obama of wiretapping is a LIE. Both the NSA and FBI stated as such. Wiretapping requires a Federal Judge authorization. This is on phone lines not FISA metadata of cell phones. FACT: The president has the authority to declassify all information to prove such an accusation. He has offered no proof to date clearly indicating it is a LIE. The illogicacy of such a motive would mean Obama gathered all the intel info on Trump, kept it to himself and rode off into the sunset as it didn’t help Clinton one bit in winning the election.

Only from the brainwashed hysterical viewers watching AlexJones InforWars doctored taped and conspiracy loonnies spiel throwing misdirection shrills of racist hatred toward the President Obama who has been falsely accused of being a Gay foreign born Muslim only fuels the money coffers of these rabid talk show hosts.

Trump is willing to malign the reputation of a former president with a 56% approval rating on leaving office as he did with maligning the reputation of of Ted Cruz calling him lying Ted stating his dad was involved in the Kennedy assasination and insuting his wife. Who does such things?

**FACT:**Putin bots and troll army were in used in the election to support Trump by creating fake news that disparage Clinton and elevated Trump. All one had to do was look at the WAPO, UK Guardian, Facebook, Twitter, etc comment section sudden massive explosion to 10-15k comments on any article not favorable on Trump. The comments themselves, were written in poor English with little understanding of the American politcal system. On twitter, you had Pro Trump accounts created in a day with 100k tweets, 200k followerers etc. clearly created by bots.
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Hope you feel better now. 😉
 
Monte_RCMS said:
FBI was monitoring Trump as early as summer of 2016.

IN ADDITION to the FISA court request that was approved.

AND just prior to Trump taking office, Obama allowed MANY subordinate groups access to information not previously allowed … and that info has been leaked.

One of the committee members complained that intelligence information previously discussed in confidentiality was being now discussed outside of confidentiality. Which is a practical impossibility. Same info being discussed in confidentiality and outside of confidentiality. Which puts both Comey and the members in very difficult circumstances.

Report to follow.
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👍

Wiretapping and leaking / classified information being deliberately put in low level confidentiality to be assessed by MSM. The things Obama did to Trump.
 
Reuben_J said:
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Wiretapping and leaking / classified information being deliberately put in low level confidentiality to be assessed by MSM. The things Obama did to Trump.
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Apparently, it’s a ten year felony.

[Gitmo is lovely this time of year.]
 
Jig_Saw said:
You know, given that Fox News has suspended (fired?) Judge N for putting out this lie that it was the Brits, how much longer will those on this site persist in repeating it?
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Maybe the lie that it was a lie was itself a lie.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Maybe the lie that it was a lie was itself a lie.
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As the Wall Street Journal puts it:
… the President clings to his assertion like a drunk to an empty gin bottle,
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This is a problem:
If President Trump announces that North Korea launched a missile that landed within 100 miles of Hawaii, would most Americans believe him? Would the rest of the world? We’re not sure, which speaks to the damage that Mr. Trump is doing to his Presidency with his seemingly endless stream of exaggerations, evidence-free accusations, implausible denials and other falsehoods.
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He survived his many false claims as a candidate because his core supporters treated it as mere hyperbole and his opponent was untrustworthy Hillary Clinton. But now he’s President, and he needs support beyond the Breitbart cheering section that will excuse anything.
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This is no longer about whom to vote for. It is about how Trump’s diminishing credibility erodes his ability to govern.
Two months into his Presidency, Gallup has Mr. Trump’s approval rating at 39%. No doubt Mr. Trump considers that fake news, but if he doesn’t show more respect for the truth most Americans may conclude he’s a fake President.
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wsj.com/articles/a-presidents-credibility-1490138920
(As JFK once quipped, the WSJ criticizing a Republican president is like L’Osservatore Romano criticizing the Pope.)
 
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