Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones

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MSM should be careful too about reporting that Obama said there was no wiretapping. Statement just said that neither he nor the WH ordered it. But there are other obvious lies with what Obama said too in his statement…like never ordering surveillance against American citizens…
 
mwigs said:
Not dumb at all. :rolleyes: Trump can’t disclose what was in the FISA application or warrant. He can’t provide proof at this time because it’s classified! He’s probably working on getting it de-classified, the wire-tapping may still be going on as well. We don’t know if it expired.
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If there were wiretaps pursuant to a FISA warrant, then it would have nothing to do with Obama, and it would have to be based on evidence. So if he is talking about FISA warrants, that does not seem like a positive thing for him. If he is talking about illegal warrantless wiretaps, then he should produce evidence of that.
 
Rosarydevotion said:
Reading this thread… I feel so sad that there are so many Catholics giving credence to Trumps claims. Sorry, but have you not figured out at this point that the man is a rabid liar? Trumps latest tweeted accusation is just another attempt to take the heat off himself. Either that or he’s just displaying how wildly paranoid he really is which goes hand and hand with his narcissistic personality.

We are only a few months into his presidency and this administration is just non stop drama and corruption. God help this country and let this man child be impeached.
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Well stated. 👍
 
TMC said:
If there were wiretaps pursuant to a FISA warrant, then it would have nothing to do with Obama, and it would have to be based on evidence. So if he is talking about FISA warrants, that does not seem like a positive thing for him. If he is talking about illegal warrantless wiretaps, then he should produce evidence of that.
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What basis would there be for warrants not through FISA? This is about Russia and or connections to Russia, isn’t it? Therefore this would need to go through a FISA court and not through other means. Whoever is doing this to Trump are spies, this is domestic espionage, and this was police state tactics. Yea let’s get to the bottom of this because the Trump Administration is being victimized. 1st step is to get the orders released, which I’m sure the Trump camp is working on.
 
mwigs said:
What basis would there be for warrants not through FISA? This is about Russia and or connections to Russia, isn’t it? Therefore this would need to go through a FISA court and not through other means. Whoever is doing this to Trump are spies, this is domestic espionage, and this was police state tactics. Yea let’s get to the bottom of this because the Trump Administration is being victimized. 1st step is to get the orders released, which I’m sure the Trump camp is working on.
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Yes, let’s get to the bottom of this. If there are FISA warrants, that means that counterintelligence officials found a reason to execute a warrant, and a judge agreed. If that is true, then we need to know the basis for those warrants.

Getting the orders released is something Trump can do with the stroke of a pen, if those orders exist. So if they do exist, we should be seeing them any minute.
 
Michael68 said:
Still waiting for your evidence. I believe the NY TIMES had to finally admit there is no evidence, so what is this evidence only you seem to know about?
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Please provide a link to support this interesting idea that the NYT had to finally admit that there is no evidence.
 
Michael68 said:
Oh…really? Hmnmmn, I hear they have the Ark of the Covenant too!
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I’m beginning to understand that you annot discern the difference between reports on Russian hacking and reports on finding the lost ark.
 
TMC said:
Yes, let’s get to the bottom of this. If there are FISA warrants, that means that counterintelligence officials found a reason to execute a warrant, and a judge agreed. If that is true, then we need to know the basis for those warrants.

Getting the orders released is something Trump can do with the stroke of a pen, if those orders exist. So if they do exist, we should be seeing them any minute.
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It would be the DOJ and getting the orders released is a little more difficult than a stroke of the pen, especially if they haven’t expired. Further FISA is used against hostile foreign agents, only way FISA can be used against US citizens if there is proof said person is an agent of a hostile country - for example like a spy.

Should any president have the power to sabotage the work of the next presidential administration during an election and after? That prospect should frighten every American.

How were Flynn’s phone conversations recorded, were they obtained during what would be illegal surveillance operations? Remember we were told they were intercepted calls. Who leaked that information, and where did it come from?

They should also review Obama’s “relaxing of procedures to make it easier to distribute confidential information retrieved through eavesdropping and other methods throughout the executive branch” and the leaking of that information to the media.
 
Wedge_Antilles said:
I thought the FBI had long acknowledged wiretapped communications of Trump were provided to the Obama White House? The New York Times reported it prior to the inauguration.

talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fbi-probe-trump-allies
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The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.*

According the FBI and Times, the Obama administration was wiretapping Trump before inauguration. Not sure why anyone would bother to deny what is old news.
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Presumably you are fully aware of the the fact that your link does not support your contention that the “Obama administration was wiretapping Trump” Do you have another link to support this idea or is your post just unabashed misinformation?
 
queenofheartscv said:
But how many posters have mocked and scoffed that trump had no evidence for the alleged wiretapping? Wait and more evidence will be coming out.
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We’ll see. In the meantime, it is true that the POTUS has made a charge without providing any supporting evidence for it. That is not presidential behavior.
 
mwigs said:
Not dumb at all. :rolleyes: Trump can’t disclose what was in the FISA application or warrant. He can’t provide proof at this time because it’s classified! He’s probably working on getting it de-classified, the wire-tapping may still be going on as well. We don’t know if it expired.
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Nope. See post #157.
 
dvdjs said:
You are referring to the non-classified report,. You know better.
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This was in response to you stating that “reports of the existence of the investigations and EVIDENCE have been being REPORTED for some time”.

My reply was therefore correct. Classified information that may or may not contain evidence hasn’t been reported on. In fact what has been reported on is that the FBI and other Intel agencies have recently said the exact opposite.
 
kat07 said:
This was in response to you stating that “reports of the existence of the investigations and EVIDENCE have been being REPORTED for some time”.

My reply was therefore correct. Classified information that may or may not contain evidence hasn’t been reported on. In fact what has been reported on is that the FBI and other Intel agencies have recently said the exact opposite.
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No you responded to this:
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In the FBI, the DIA, the CIA, and other agencies in the IC and presented to ranking membership in Congress and the White House.
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