Trump Alarms Lawmakers With Disparaging Words for Haiti and Africa

[exnihilo]

These countries are ****holes because of the people. Trash doesn’t pile up in the streets because of the rain. This doesn’t mean everyone from that country likes that or lives like that. But it also doesn’t mean that knowing where someone is from says nothing about them, or at least on average.

Why should we have made them stay where they were?

We don’t make them do anything. But isn’t it unfair to suck all the talent out of a country? That is using them for our good and not the good of their fellow countryman. That is exploiting that country. They need the good, educated people to build a better country.

 

[PaulinVA]

We don’t make them do anything. But isn’t it unfair to suck all the talent out of a country? That is using them for our good and not the good of their fellow countryman. That is exploiting that country. They need the good, educated people to build a better country.

This is a good point, but should a country enshrine that thought in their immigration policy?

 

[Ridgerunner]

Why Fordham? It’s a Jesuit University and I’m not sure they have a large Mormon student body.

Maybe you meant Bringham Young?

It might not be true anymore, but at one time, Fordham was regarded as a place where a high percentage of the student population had strong moral systems in addition to an excellent education. Jesuit universities are very different now from what they once were.

 

[exnihilo]

Yes. If it is wrong to take all the good people from a country and leave the bad then consideration for this should be part of our policy.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Yes. If it is wrong to take all the good people from a country and leave the bad then consideration for this should be part of our policy.

Part of the problem is that if we can only allow immigrants from rich countries, fewer people are going to want to immigrate in the first place. One reason people immigrate is to have a better economic situation. Of course, if we force people to stay in their countries, there will also be less capital flowing to those countries, less expertise of things learned in America flowing to those countries. Those countries will likely spend a longer time being poor.

 

[exnihilo]

So one of the main reasons is people want to use us economically? They want to benefit from what we’ve made. How then do we have an obligation to them?

For people left in their home countries they have the Clinton Foundarion to improve their life. That of course is a joke. But my sister and other people do go on trips to places like this to help. So how we can help them is by doing things like that, as we’ve always done.

 

[Theo520]

I think you are saying our past tolerance of illegal immigration, has increased the level of illegal immigration. I would agree with you.

I don’t think we will have any problem filling our legal immigration quotas, as there is a backlog and economic opportunity remains for those selected.

 

[stinkcat_14]

So one of the main reasons is people want to use us economically? They want to benefit from what we’ve made. How then do we have an obligation to them?

The basic idea in economics is mutually beneficial exchange. We let people in this country because they have something to offer us. That in turn, allows them to do good things for the old country. Trade may even increase that produces gains all around. In my department, of 14 full time faculty, I am the only one born in the US. We didn’t hire the rest from hole countries because we were benevolent. But because of our rational self interest.

 

[exnihilo]

Suddenly liberal immigration policy and universities are supporting capitalism? And questions of capitalist exploitation are thrown out the window?

 

[stinkcat_14]

Suddenly liberal immigration policy and universities are supporting capitalism? And questions of capitalist exploitation are thrown out the window?

I am not sure I am proposing anything particularly liberal. But if we have a shortage of workers, should we not get the workers we need from abroad? Were the faculty we hired being exploited? We pay them a living wage.

 

[F_Marturana]

I thought your post had to do with Mormon student recruitment and you mentioned Fordham.

 

[exnihilo]

Why would we have a shortage of workers when we have unemployed people and universal free education and nearly free, subsidize secondary education? The exploitation is in importing labor that will work more cheaply than the native born laborers because they come from impoverished countries.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Why would we have a shortage of workers when we have unemployed people and universal free education and nearly free, subsidize secondary education? The exploitation is in importing labor that will work more cheaply than the native born laborers because they come from impoverished countries.

When we advertise for workers, probably less than 20% are native born Americans. Most of those won’t work for my school because we pay below average. We are a state school and the taxpayers think we are overpaid, so we cannot raise wages to meet the market. What choice do we have?

 

[exnihilo]

When private companies pay workers below average wages that is always because of greed. It is claimed those at the top end can get less pay so that those on the bottom get more. I actually somewhat agree with that given the explosion of wages for those at the upper end of bureaucracies.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Part of our problem is that most native borns can’t afford to get doctorates. Our last guy we hired started his master’s degree around the time of the financial crisis. The American’s all left with master’s degrees because they were offered $90k+. My friend got his doctorate and made $80k. It is a different lifestyle to be sure, but 3-4 years of giving up $90k is very costly.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I thought your post had to do with Mormon student recruitment and you mentioned Fordham.

Sorry. I meant both.

 

[upant]

The words of Jesus ware clear- welcome the stranger.

is it biblical to violate a law to achieve a “good.”

the stranger should follow the laws and enter legally.

Romans 13:2
Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

change the immigration laws if you want open borders.

 

[Theo520]

I am not sure I am proposing anything particularly liberal. But if we have a shortage of workers, should we not get the workers we need from abroad? Were the faculty we hired being exploited? We pay them a living wage.

It undercuts the market, and healthy wage competition. Your faculty may make a living wage, but not a great wage that would attract more citizens to the career path.

The jobs market for highly qualified positions takes time to respond, if you keep filling the gap with lower cost foreign workers, there is no pressure to increase wages, and adaptation in student career aspirations.

I’d say the benefits are being seen in India and other countries that are supplying the workers, at what they see as very attractive pay/work conditions. Thus it’s the students in those countries that are changing their career plans to take advantage of the US jobs market.

 

[stinkcat_14]

It undercuts the market, and healthy wage competition. Your faculty may make a living wage, but not a great wage that would attract more citizens to the career path.

We are constrained by what the taxpayer is willing to offer. If we were a private firm, I agree that this would be less of an issue.

The jobs market for highly qualified positions takes time to respond, if you keep filling the gap with lower cost foreign workers, there is no pressure to increase wages, and adaptation in student career aspirations.

Wages are increasing even with the hiring of foreign labor. Of course, on the other end, people are complaining that college costs too much. You can’t lower tuition and prohibit foreign workers and expect a rational result.

 

[Theo520]

In either case, the University jobs market isn’t adapting to give US citizens incentive to become professors.

All businesses face a similar problem of competing constraints, nothing magical about the public sector here.

I expect you also are well aware that professor salary increases aren’t what has driven up Univ costs the past couple decades. Adaptation to pay higher wages or to provide more security over the shift to adjunct positions might come from simply changing spend priorities.

Schools hire foreigners in less secure adjunct positions because they can get away with it.