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Not sure how Godwin’s law applies here if the argument is that good Catholics would never support racism which I counter with a historical example of them not ignoring racism.
Trump Alarms Lawmakers With Disparaging Words for Haiti and Africa
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So honestly,
Do you teach logical fallacy at the University?
Context always matters
Nancy: we demand a couple hundred thousand special visas just for those Haitians and Salvadorians
Trump: Why do Haitians deserve special treatment, instead of Norwegians (or people from any other country)?
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stinkcat_14
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That is not what he said.
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Theo520
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What I posted does cover the discussion of the meeting
- Talk DACA (which Trump supports)
- Instead of striking a deal, Dems derail by demanding visas for Haitians
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He certainly obliged them, didn’t he? He could have come out of this looking pretty good, but the negative publicity he got is all his own fault.
The fact that it flew over your head makes it even more delicious.
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Racism isn’t a tasty treat - sad that so few Catholics care.
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Jig_Saw
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Have you actually read the thread?
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lmachine
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It’s disheartening but not surprising at this point that members of a Catholic forum are still defending open, explicit racism, but I guess that’s where we are. Anyways,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e79fa4-fa1e-11e7-8f66-2df0b94bb98a_story.html
So, to address your points one by one:
So in the end we have another incident to add to Trump’s decades-long public record of racism, we have another example of how utterly incompetent or dangerously suggestible or both Trump is, and we have another example of the pure political fantasy we live in where when a bipartisan compromise is reached but then derailed by Trump’s aides it’s somehow the Democrats’ fault.
These are ridiculous posts for a number of reasons but mainly because they ignore the reality we all exist in. We know much about the meeting; here’s a good overview:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e79fa4-fa1e-11e7-8f66-2df0b94bb98a_story.html
So, to address your points one by one:
Correct! What context makes it okay for the President to refer to countries as “s***holes”?
Nancy Pelosi was not in the meeting, so I’m not sure why you’re representing it as if she were.
Yes, a bipartisan group of legislators reached a deal that basically gave every horrific change to the immigration system that Trump wanted in exchange for preserving DACA beneficiaries’ quasi-legal status. They called Trump and arranged the meeting to go over the details, and Trump “expressed pleasure with Durbin’s outline of a bipartisan immigration pact and praised the high-ranking Illinois Democrat’s efforts”.
This is shockingly incorrect. While the group of bipartisan lawmakers (not Dems) began to prepare for the meeting, Stephen Miller and John Kelly found out about the meeting and started calling all the hardliners they could find. When the bipartisan group arrived to go over the plan they were met with Miller, Kelly, several anti-immigrant lawmakers, and a Trump that they had all convinced to suddenly reject the deal.
The DACA compromise was derailed by Stephen Miller and John Kelly, not Democrats as you’ve suggested. You’ll have to decide whether or not Miller and Kelly wanted a news incident out of this. And while the story would have been big anyways, Trump’s “best people” did literally nothing to try to spin it Thursday because they had a party planned and just wanted to get their drink on.
So in the end we have another incident to add to Trump’s decades-long public record of racism, we have another example of how utterly incompetent or dangerously suggestible or both Trump is, and we have another example of the pure political fantasy we live in where when a bipartisan compromise is reached but then derailed by Trump’s aides it’s somehow the Democrats’ fault.
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Trump is a racist who hates Haitians, and yet he helped finance a trip to help Haitians. This was his own money and not from a graft fund. And people actually received help.
www.theblaze.com
Rand Paul tells a surprising story about Trump and Haiti long before he was president | Blaze Media
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) defended the president against accusations of racism based on the report that he called Haiti and other African nations "s**thole countries" in a meeting about immigration. Here's the video of Rand Paul defending Trump: Here's what Paul said: "You know I don't think the...
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Trump will have to produce the records of the donation before I will believe it as he has a history of claiming donations without actually making them. If he did good for him, though a donation does not demonstrate a lack of racism.
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exnihilo
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You have a US senator reporting this. So senators reporting remarks can be trusted but not senators reporting funding of mission trips?
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That’s why I keep saying we’ve got our eyes on him.
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It also doesn’t demonstrate racism, either.
Don’t even get me started on what a cheap skate Joe Biden is…
Don’t even get me started on what a cheap skate Joe Biden is…
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I did some research and Paul is largely accurate in his account. I conflated your post (“This was his own money”) and Paul’s words. The donation came from the Trump Foundation, which Trump famously hasn’t donated any of his own money to in a decade. He did donate to the eye center but it wasn’t his own money.
And yes, half a dozen lawmakers whose only disagreement is whether Trump said “shole" or "shouse” are a more reliable source of information than one senator claiming something on TV without giving details.
And yes, half a dozen lawmakers whose only disagreement is whether Trump said “shole" or "shouse” are a more reliable source of information than one senator claiming something on TV without giving details.
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Visit Haiti.
Go there and see for yourselves.
Witness and experience Haiti.
Haiti is close by the United States. Easy to fly to and inexpensive.
Go there and see for yourselves.
Witness and experience Haiti.
Haiti is close by the United States. Easy to fly to and inexpensive.
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I would say that average salaries have roughly kept in line with inflation, but that doesn’t necessarily mirror what happens to the typical faculty member. The typical faculty member comes in as an assistant professor and by the time they hit 10-15 years are typically promoted to professor. Raises typically follow such promotions. It also depends on the field. A field like English often will pay small salaries with little raises, that is because there are often 300 applicants for every opening. One the other hand, our accounting department received an application from a candidate who was willing to cut his salary demand to a mere $150k because he wanted to live in the area. Also tenured professors often get small if any raises because who is going to hire them and promise never to fire them.
There has been a shift towards more adjuncts, and they do get paid less with fewer benefits. Although in some cases the pay is not bad because the expectations are much less. I have occasionally taught as an adjunct and the money was not bad for one night a week.
In my experience, the immigrants have been in the higher demand fields. I have seen few immigrants teaching philosophy and history. Many more teaching economics and engineering. The one thing is that the math skills of the foreign students are typically better and that may be constraining Americans going into those fields.
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Exactly. A point about inappropriate criteria guiding immigration (not refugee) intake can be made without denigrating the country.
That does capture Trump IMO. He does come across as lacking competence, and I’d have guessed he is highly influenced by the last smart person in the room, who knows how to play to him.
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