Trump denies Covid-19 surge even as virus spreads among Pence's inner circle

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umamibella said:
Its true though, more tests = more positives. Cant argue that logic. Or can you?
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Of course I can. It is a “TRUE” statement, and it is MISLEADING. The proper way would be: “more testing leads to more KNOWN positives”. The number of testing has nothing to do with the number of infections.

Just as you correctly pointed out to @vz71.
 
Zake said:
and that is what Trump keeps claiming. Of course the testing REVEALS the cases, but does not CREATE them.
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I think something that doesn’t help Trump are statements and events that support the view that he is more concerned with how the numbers than the patients.
 
MikeInVA said:
It does when the only way to know that someone has the disease is by testing.
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It STILL has nothing to do with the NUMBER of cases. It has everything to do with the number of KNOWN cases. Of course it is imperative to know the ACTUAL cases, so we can implement protective measures. And that is exactly what Trump did NOT do. He tried and still tries to downplay the severity of the epidemic.
  1. “The cure is almost here…”
  2. “The virus will just go away…”
  3. “We just turned a corner…”
  4. “We shall have a perfect / beautiful distribution system…”
… and other assorted nonsense.
 
Trump’s comment re the cases spiking due to more testing is true.Here’s why,the spectrum of symptoms run from none to dire. The majority of cases are mild to something similar to the flu or a cold. So the panic over upticks is being disingenuous because for most people, they automatically relate that to hospitalizations,deaths,etc.Thats not the case.
Antadotel example: My sister and her husband,mid 60’s both contracted Covid at a gathering of 17 people. Of those attending,half contracted the virus to varying degrees. One was asymptomatic and was in.y made aware of having Covid after another tested positive with mild flu like symptoms.This was the case with all the others who contracted Covid,other than my sister and her husband.
Her symptoms were more severe and after two weeks she has turned the corner
 
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The statistic of positive cases-to-tests may mislead one as the population of those tested consists of those people likely to be infected. As such the ratio is not an indication of the overall threat to the general population.

http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/acd/ncorona2019/testing/guidelines/#ExpandedTestingRecs
Diagnostic (viral) testing is strongly recommended for the following individuals:
  • Persons with symptoms of COVID-19
  • Persons who are identified as part of outbreak detection and response or contact investigation as directed by LAC DPH
  • Persons who are close contact to confirmed cases
  • Persons living/working in high-risk congregate settings (e.g. nursing home, shelter, jail)
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Jeanne_S said:
Trump’s comment re the cases spiking due to more testing is true.Here’s why,the spectrum of symptoms run from none to dire. The majority of cases are mild to something similar to the flu or a cold. So the panic over upticks is being disingenuous because for most people, they automatically relate that to hospitalizations,deaths,etc.Thats not the case.
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In fact, it is the case. The rise in cases is accompanied by a rise in hospitalizations. In some hospitals in Utah they are now getting to the point of saturation of their resources and are having to triage people by age, resulting in turning away patients because they just don’t have the capacity to treat them. That is not a mere artifact of increased testing.
Antadotel example:…
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…therefore irrelevant to a discussion of public policy.
o_mlly said:
The statistic of positive cases-to-tests may mislead one as the population of those tested consists of those people likely to be infected. As such the ratio is not an indication of the overall threat to the general population.
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The number of asymptomatic people tested far surpasses the number of people tested with symptoms. Furthermore, the number of asymptomatic people tested has only been increasing. This factor cannot explain a rise over time of the infection rate. The rise in infections in real.
 
Why so dismissive of first hand experience re the covid and spectrum of symptoms?:roll_eyes:🤨
 
LeafByNiggle said:
now getting to the point of saturation of their resources and are having to triage people by age, resulting in turning away patients because they just don’t have the capacity to treat them.
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In all of the media hysterics, I recall this claim being made months ago.

It wasn’t happening then, I doubt it now.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The number of asymptomatic people tested far surpasses the number of people tested with symptoms. Furthermore, the number of asymptomatic people tested has only been increasing. This factor cannot explain a rise over time of the infection rate. The rise in infections in real.
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Do you have a reputable source to support those assertions?
 
Jeanne_S said:
Why so dismissive of first hand experience re the covid and spectrum of symptoms?
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Because the discussion is about what is happening statistically to a population of over 300 million people. Any argument based on cherry-picked examples in one family has almost no bearing on those statistics.
 
o_mlly said:
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LeafByNiggle:
The number of asymptomatic people tested far surpasses the number of people tested with symptoms. Furthermore, the number of asymptomatic people tested has only been increasing. This factor cannot explain a rise over time of the infection rate. The rise in infections in real.
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Do you have a reputable source to support those assertions?
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I just had a covid test yesterday, and I am asymptomatic. (See why anecdotal examples are useless here?) But honestly, everyone knows there are more tests being conducted now than previously. I would be very surprised if you thought we were testing less now than previously. In fact, Trump says we are testing more. So who are we testing if not asymptomatic people?
 
So say you.Do you honestly think my family experience is unique re this virus? No most likely it is the norm. Do me a favor and do t respond to me anymore and Ill do the same.It seems you aren’t interested in an honest dialogue,only in shutting it down and pushing your biased opinions
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Not going down that rabbit hole unless you claim we are testing less now.
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It’s not a “rabbit hole” to ask someone to support an opinion. And, yes the data from CDC posted above shows testing declined in week 42 by 722,292. So, put up or …
 
o_mlly said:
And, yes the data from CDC posted above shows testing declined in week 42 by 722,292
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Here is the graph of testing.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

Daily Testing Trends in the US - Johns Hopkins

See daily changes in tests performed and positivity rates in the US
coronavirus.jhu.edu coronavirus.jhu.edu

I don’t see a recent drop in the number of test. What I see is that as we near the end of October, the number of tests has been steadily climbing to over 1 million per day. This same graph also shows the positivity rate just broke 6%.
 
CDC:

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If this is correct, the virus is horrible but I believe they are saying now, the seasonal flu is more lethal.

Take precautions but do not throw out common sense.
LeafByNiggle said:
Because the discussion is about what is happening statistically to a population of over 300 million people. Any argument based on cherry-picked examples in one family has almost no bearing on those statistics.
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