Trump stands by statements on Mexican illegal immigrants, surprised by backlash

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powerofk said:
Right. It has to do with income distribution more than anything else. Mexico doesn’t really have much of a middle class to speak of (there IS a middle class, but it’s quite small). The people are either what we would consider very upper-middle class to rich or extremely poor to working class.
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So the Mexican government refuses to raise taxes because it’s easier to send their poor to America, where high taxes are already set up. How convenient for them.
 
TEPO said:
Catholics are fighting to give non-Americans the same materialism we despise. :confused:

…They call it “charity”. It’s laughable…
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If it weren’t for Latinos, the church would have a very hard time existing in TX,NM, AZ and huge parts of Cal.
 
andrewstx said:
If it weren’t for Latinos, the church would have a very hard time existing in TX,NM, AZ and huge parts of Cal.
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I don’t think Latinos are expected to pack it up and leave. I just think Mexicans don’t take law seriously at all. Their police are scandalous, they have no fair wage laws, no fair tax laws, and they break into other countries and then claim the law doesn’t matter -while their government backs them up on it.

I blame poor leadership for the breakdown of law and order, which bleeds through to the entire culture… Either that, or their DNA just tends to lean in that direction.

…in any case, discipline in America is not some culturally shiftable ideal. Discipline and law are the most important factors in any first world nation. We cannot afford to succumb to this third world attitude. At least, I’m not willing to. Not at all.
 
TEPO said:
I don’t think Latinos are expected to pack it up and leave. I just think Mexicans don’t take law seriously at all. Their police are scandalous, they have no fair wage laws, no fair tax laws, and they break into other countries and then claim the law doesn’t matter -while their government backs them up on it.

I blame poor leadership for the breakdown of law and order, which bleeds through to the entire culture… Either that, or their DNA just tends to lean in that direction.

…in any case, discipline in America is not some culturally shiftable ideal. Discipline and law are the most important factors in any first world nation. We cannot afford to succumb to this third world attitude. At least, I’m not willing to. Not at all.
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These are the types of opinions that I do not respect, for example.
 
on_the_hill said:
These are the types of opinions that I do not respect, for example.
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The Mexican government is carefree and filled with corruption at every level. It’s the example they set. It becomes obvious when so many people want to leave. Yet their economy ranks one of the highest in the world. How does that even work? If there were a logical reason I would be interested in hearing it.
 
TEPO said:
The Mexican government is carefree and filled with corruption at every level. It’s the example they set. It becomes obvious when so many people want to leave. Yet their economy ranks one of the highest in the world. How does that even work? If there were a logical reason I would be interested in hearing it.
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You are correct, besides the forum rules state:
Another poster or his/her ideas. You can disagree. You cannot attack,insult, ridicule or dismiss as unimportant. His opinion is as important to him as your opinion is to you.
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J_Peterson said:
If you notice in the original statement he made no distinction between legal and illegal. I’ll admit that maybe the quote is out of context and the previous sentence may spell out who he is talking about. That said, this statement is chilling to me:

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best, they’re not sending you…"

Look closely what he’s saying. First, he’s talking about people that immigrate from Mexico without any qualifiers (i.e. illegal/legal), these people are not the best (again, not illegals but simply Mexicans), and they are not you. It demonizes “the other” in order to score political points. I can’t imagine reading that any other way than racist, at the very least it’s nationalistic but that’s still not a good thing.

Trump is a buffoon and shouldn’t be taken seriously (unless he’s suing you or owes you money I guess). What’s scary to me is how many people agree with him.
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Exactly, he said “all Mexicans”. People want to cover up trump but he referred to all Mexicans, who by the way work for him.
 
QuestLove said:
Some are saying he is a buffoon.
I think he knows what he is doing. We are at least talking about him and he has distinguished himself from the large pool of people running. He knows who he is talking to…and I bet you it works with his dempgraphic.
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Could be, but he is wrong
 
truetofaith said:
I guess you consider me a racist since I am defending what Trump said. You’re wrong…I heard his whole speech & he was saying how he would build a secure wall along the border & get Mexico to pay for it. The wall is to keep out illegal immigrants, they are the ones he was referring to who are drug runners & rapists…but where he messed up was when he said he assumed a few were good people.

It appeared to me most of what he said was not scripted but off the cuff. He is foolish for not thinking of what he is going to say before he blurts out something that can be misconstrued.
Mexicans interviewed, who came here legally, agree with Trump & are angry that the illegals are going to be given the same benefits that they had to struggle for.

P.S. I’m not a racist, since I’m a musician & played music with Cubans, Puerto Ricans, blacks etc.and made many friends with everyone with no problem. 😛
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Just be you have friends that are Hispanic does not mean you are not racist. Not everyone that comes through Mexico is Mexican, remember last year with all the people from Central America
 
truetofaith said:
Why can’t they come here legally, though? Does it cost too much or take too much time? :confused:
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It’s those things, plus the desperation of trying to better your life. In a small cup, what these individuals do is come here to make things better, is like a father who steals food to feed his children. Is it wrong, yes maybe it is, but the desperation makes you say, although I don’t agree with it, I understand why he did it.
 
sallybutler said:
That is not true about Americans. Why are you and Book Worm so negative about American citizens? I am really tired of hearing how bad and how lazy Americans are. It is not true. Sure some may be, but there are bad and lazy people in every group. Most Americans are hard working good people.
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Why shouldn’t employers be sent to jail or fined heavily for hiring illegal workers? They are committing illegal acts themselves.
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And that’s why we Hispanics especially from Mexican descent got upset with his comment. He said all Mexicans. He generalized, is if someone said, all men are cheaters. No we’re not all cheaters. Now if you start saying, men who have no respect cheat, now your being specific
 
Path_Finder said:
He didn’t say that. The citation from his speech is in this thread. He also mentioned the Middle East. I think I read all kinds are coming across the border.

Yes, we are a melting pot I would think. I think I even saw that term has come under scrutiny lately per the PC politically correct crowd though I don’t see why it could be offensive.

We do need to care about those in the nation who need jobs as well.
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No, he said Mexicans
 
TEPO said:
The Mexican government is carefree and filled with corruption at every level. It’s the example they set. It becomes obvious when so many people want to leave. Yet their economy ranks one of the highest in the world. How does that even work? If there were a logical reason I would be interested in hearing it.
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See, there is no problem talking about how corrupt and mismanaged the Mexican Government. There is issue in pointing out that, in many ways, their police system has been compromised.

It is another matter to state, as you have, that enmasse, Mexicans don’t respect the rule of law.

That’s prejudiced and steriotyping.
 
chero23 said:
So why are white people complaining when they took this country from native Americans? Don’t give me well the laws didn’t exist. Well if we’re good Catholics shouldn’t we follow the golden rule or do we only follow that when it is to our convenience?
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All countries have border laws, Mexico sends people back too.
 
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