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Thank you. 🙂
You’re welcome, Peter. There are people I respect in all parties, and there are people I don’t care for in all parties, including my own. I don’t ever want to lump any group, with a few exceptions like ISIS, together and make blanket statements about them, and I sure don’t want to make blanket statements about individuals.

A blessed Easter to you.
 
Yes I’ve heard it said, when more people vote such as in Presidential year general elections, it favors the Democrats. When less vote such as in midterm elections, it favors the Republicans.
Turnout was overall lower in the 2014 midterms for example, compared to the 2012 presidential election, but check this out:
For Barack Obama’s triumphal re-election, blacks made up 13% of the electorate; for his 2014 electoral rebuke, African-Americans comprised an almost identical 12%. Whites were 72% of all voters when Obama won two years ago and they were 75% last week – yes, a notable increase but hardly enough on its own to sway the result from decisive Democratic victory to sweeping, landslide Republican success.
Republicans won in 2014 not because they faced an electorate substantially whiter or more conservative than the voters who gave Barack Obama his re-election win, or because they could work with a substantially smaller turnout than the showing that gave Democrats their last sweep in a midterm election in 2006. They succeeded this year with voting demographics that closely resembled those that prevailed in 2012, and with overall turnout nearly identical to the showing that gave Democrats their decisive victories in 2006.
The GOP succeeded not because they got a different set of voters to show up, but because they managed to persuade more of those who did. The candidates of 2014 did dramatically better with significant groups in the electorate who decisively rejected Mitt Romney and the Senatorial and Gubernatorial nominees of 2012. This year, the Republicans nationally won significantly better percentages of blacks, Latinos, Asians (actually winning the Asian vote), Jews and women. Meanwhile, they won nearly identical percentages of white voters, males, married people and those over 65—segments of the electorate that tilt reliably toward the GOP in every election.
truthrevolt.org/news/medved-stupid-myths-about-turnout-demographics-and-gop-victory

Interestingly it appears Democrats lost the most seats of the 900 in New Hampshire, 68 seats: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vrJo3OYWF96YuejPatLyxKhrGp4hLHorN6MGEvVMlNU/htmlview?pli=1
 
If the Republican Presidential Primaries came down to these candidates, for whom would you vote?

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I’m a registered Democrat because I must be a party member to vote in my state’s closed primary and between the 2 major parties, the Democratic Party comes the closest to my views. I don’t always agree with Democrats. Truthfully before Obama, my choice in a Presidential primary almost always lost and it appears this will be the case again. But still honesty I confess it’s hard for me to think of a single issue off the top of my head on which I agree with today’s Republican Party.

That said, no, Peter, I do not think you (Republicans in general) have primitive brain functions or are unfit to share this land with us.
Thank you, Sy. 🙂 I almost forgot for a moment about all the Dems who are trying to tell us whom to nominate (Trump).
We simply disagree politically and on issues. What I do think though is some of the indignation (or anger and hate it sometimes seems to me) shown by many Republicans (not necessarily by you personally) towards President Obama has been misguided. From the very first night of his very first day in office of his 1st term, there were reports of Republicans huddled together, reportedly Paul Ryan was among them, plotting against him. I don’t think I have ever seen a President of the United States and even our First Lady (might be needing to come up with a new term for the President’s spouse next yr) vilified in the way they have been by the opposition throughout his Presidency from day one. I recall the talk of “death panels” and “Obama wants to kill your grandma” rhetoric. Signs depicting the twice duly elected President of the United States as Hitler. It just seems to me for over 7 yrs now if Obama is for it, Republicans are automatically against it. As Commander in Chief, he led us to Bin Laden. Today it was announced the #2 ISIS leader was killed. Things are not near where they should be economically nor in healthcare, but he doesn’t get enough credit imo for being there to help lead us out of the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression which he inherited from the last Republican President. Or for finally doing something about pre-existing conditions and healthcare for the millions of people who had none. Yet I will be the first to agree that still too many are without and for too many private insurance deductibles are entirely too high. It is one of the reasons I have backed Bernie Sanders in the primary. And to show support for some of his other messages.

Peace my brother and a most blessed Easter to you and to all here in our midsts. :grouphug:
Kind of sad (if not entirely unexpected at this point) how you pin all the divisiveness on the GOP.

I admit that some Republicans have had their share of divisiveness, but Obama has also been extremely divisive.

(Now you can play the race card. :rolleyes:)
 
Thank you, Sy. 🙂 I almost forgot for a moment about all the Dems who are trying to tell us whom to nominate (Trump).

Kind of sad (if not entirely unexpected at this point) how you pin all the divisiveness on the GOP.

I admit that some Republicans have had their share of divisiveness, but Obama has also been extremely divisive.

(Now you can play the race card. :rolleyes:)
No Peter, I can’t “play” the race card because I know for instance some Republicans supported Ben Carson until they didn’t. And there are other Republicans such as Mia Love. Still something happened when Barack Obama was elected. It showed America had come far. I cried that night, tears of joy, to have been able to be alive to witness America electing its first African American President after all that had transpired in our nation’s history. Yet, even though he pretty much is in line with other Democrats, left of center and certainly not as far left as I would say Bernie is, his election sparked something in people, something which I have never been able to quite put my finger on. But it caused something to come to the forefront in people. As I said, something I’ve never quite seen so early in a Presidency. And while I personally don’t find Obama divisive, I’m sure others don’t find Trump divisive either. Brightest blessings for a most Happy Easter, Peter!
 
When the United States proudly elected and reelected Barack Obama, we took a positive giant-step in our evolution as a nation. Bolstered by the promise inherent in our progress, I believed, along with many others, in our ability to continue moving forward.

But, apparently, we are instead degenerating. We are dragging our knuckles and stooping to the shameful level of potentially electing Donald Trump: a serial liar, racist, narcissist, buffoon — with no experience whatsoever in public office.

Those are the first two paragraphs of Donald Trump’s Followers: A Blind Rebellion.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I have to say Wow.

While I read the first paragraph I briefly entertained the hope that the propaganda about how electing Obama twice meant a “positive giant-step in our evolution as a nation” was, if not flat-out sarcasm, at least something the author planned to mitigate in the rest of the article.

That hope radically dimmed as I read paragraph after paragraph that made the GOP out to be savages unfit to share this land with the Democratic Party. Not to mention how he completely ignores the incredible amount of demagoguery that *Obama *has engaged in (and continues to engage in).

My question is: Is that the way *most *Dems see us Republicans? If so – and considering that we haven’t even nominated Trump, yet – then we’d better be prepared for an enormous amount of the same if and when the Clinton/Trump duopoly becomes a reality. :ouch:
There is a lot of name calling and innuendo from both sides. Would you ever suggest that I can’t possibly be a Democrat if I am really Catholic? There are some who have suggested that. Would you suggest I am a near murderer for the same reason?

I think we all need to dial back the rhetoric.
 
No Peter, I can’t “play” the race card because I know for instance some Republicans supported Ben Carson until they didn’t. And there are other Republicans such as Mia Love. Still something happened when Barack Obama was elected. It showed America had come far. I cried that night, tears of joy, to have been able to be alive to witness America electing its first African American President after all that had transpired in our nation’s history. Yet, even though he pretty much is in line with other Democrats, left of center and certainly not as far left as I would say Bernie is, his election sparked something in people, something which I have never been able to quite put my finger on. But it caused something to come to the forefront in people. As I said, something I’ve never quite seen so early in a Presidency. And while I personally don’t find Obama divisive, I’m sure others don’t find Trump divisive either. Brightest blessings for a most Happy Easter, Peter!
I don’t see Obama as divisive within the Democratic Party, however, I do know Republicans can’t stand him. I do see Trump as dividing Republicans, but I agree with you, some of them don’t.

Like you, Sy, I like Obama. I feel people focus too much on what he hasn’t done and not enough on what he has, and he has done a lot of good, of course.

I think a lot of people saw him as a visionary when he was elected. Someone who would transform the US, and that’s a job that really has to happen over a long period of time. The transformation can’t take place in only eight years. I think a lot of people expected too much of him. One does have to give him credit for all he’s accomplished with every single Republican against him. Right now, I can’t think of one Republican who supported anything at all that Obama supported. Democrats and Republicans really need to find a way to work together to make life better for Americans, not be constantly sniping at the “other side.”

Happy Easter to you! 👍 And to all here at CAF.
 
There is a lot of name calling and innuendo from both sides. Would you ever suggest that I can’t possibly be a Democrat if I am really Catholic? There are some who have suggested that. Would you suggest I am a near murderer for the same reason?

I think we all need to dial back the rhetoric.
I think you can be a good Democrat and a wonderful Catholic, and I’m sure you are a terrific Catholic. You show that in the high quality of your posts.

A blessed Easter to you!
 
I think you can be a good Democrat and a wonderful Catholic, and I’m sure you are a terrific Catholic. You show that in the high quality of your posts.

A blessed Easter to you!
Thank you for the kind words. I have to give credit to my mom (who most likely is now in Purgatory and would appreciate any and all prayers).
 
No Peter, I can’t “play” the race card
Alright, I’ll trust that you’re telling the truth. 🙂 It’s just the usual way that Dems respond when I point out how divisive the President has been.
 
Alright, I’ll trust that you’re telling the truth. 🙂 It’s just the usual way that Dems respond when I point out how divisive the President has been.
As the saying goes, it takes two to tango,can’t fight with someone who refuses to fight, etc. Neither side is blameless in this discussion.
 
I don’t trust Trump for a whole host of reasons. But part of me wants to see him get elected, just to watch the sparks fly. He has frequently trolled the other candidates (such as buying the domain of “jebbush.com” and rerouting it to his website, or comparing his trophy wife to Ted Cruz’s wife and saying, “who would you rather have as the First Lady?”)

Is it bad that I find myself entertained by the prospect of the mayhem he could wreak? Protests against him have ended in violence and arrests.
 
50 million deaths since Roe v Wade is not rhetoric though.
Neither is praising the “wonderful” work Planned Parenthood does for women – except for when it comes to abortion – “wonderful” things like distributing contraceptives to kids and testing for sexually transmitted infections, both of which contribute to the Culture of Death in which abortion has thrived.

lifesitenews.com/pulse/donald-trump-planned-parenthood-does-do-wonderful-things
 
There is a lot of name calling and innuendo from both sides. Would you ever suggest that I can’t possibly be a Democrat if I am really Catholic? There are some who have suggested that. Would you suggest I am a near murderer for the same reason?
Considering the number of Republicans who are “pro-life” – except, oddly enough, for when it comes to T____ – I wouldn’t suggest that at all. Happy Easter.
 
I don’t see Obama as divisive within the Democratic Party, however, I do know Republicans can’t stand him.** I do see Trump as dividing Republicans**,
I think you hit the nail on the head: they’re both highly divisive, and they’ve both hurt the GOP greatly.
 
Do you see that as a Catholic attitude?
It could be as Catholics may see the present regime as harmful, with jobs being outsourced to India, with American factories closing down, with children being killed in one war after another, with partial birth abortions, with Hillary demanding that religious beliefs be changed, etc.
 
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