Tucker: Can the left lead a country they hate?

[Rubee]

Moreover, stop acting like there isn’t a legitimate reason to critique her stance and/or commentaries vis a vis Israel.

I will act like she said anti-semitic things as soon as you quote the anti-semitic things. Deal?

PS: Ilhan Omar apologized because her Jewish friends told her that tropes about Jews and money and power are why her statements were understood as they were. She was being LOVING and sensitive to their take, despite the fact her comments never actually attacked Jews. In her apology, she behaved more like a Christian than the right-wing pundits and their supporters who lied about her and keep doing so despite not finding the anti-semitism they claim based on nothing but their imagination and bias that she has.

“Anti-Semitism is real and I am grateful for Jewish allies and colleagues who are educating me on the painful history of anti-Semitic tropes,” Omar said. “My intention is never to offend my constituents or Jewish Americans as a whole. We have to always be willing to step back and think through criticism, just as I expect people to hear me when others attack me for my identity. This is why I unequivocally apologize.”

She continued, “At the same time, I reaffirm the problematic role of lobbyists in our politics, whether it be AIPAC, the NRA or the fossil fuel industry. It’s gone on too long and we must be willing to address it.”

And did you SERIOUSLY link an opinion piece where someone said, “I’m Somali and in Somalia we were very anti-semitic” as reasons why it’s ok to claim without proof that someone is anti-semitic? I refer you once more to your prolonged attempts to protect Stefan Molyneux from a label of “racism.”

 

[josie_L]

That is simply untrue. Please demonstrate where I have “put ALL her critics in worst possible light”:

Here is your first quote referencing Ilhan Omar:

Yeah, after the torrent of lies and hatred poured onto Ilhan Omar for the sin of criticizing Israel, Ima beg to disagree. Very strongly at that.

So pretty much ANYONE who CRITICIZES Omar about her stance or commentaries of Israel is either a liar or hateful. It has nothing whatsoever to do with legitimate disagreements or that her comments might actually be anti-semitic.

Moreoever, setting up such categories tells me more about you than it does her, that is, you are incapable of seeing how anything she says can be regarded as anti-semitic but anyone who does is either a liar or a hater.

(1) I have spoken of the vile treatment she got as proof of the Right’s own version of “cancel culture” and vile intolerance. You decided to justify the treatment I pointed out, and I challenged that attempt.

I never justified the treatment she received I was making an attempt to relay that people had legitimate reasons to criticize her that didn’t fall under the category of HATE and LIES and extends far beyond this one comment you SINGLED OUT.

(2) You claimed she has a history of anti-semitism; I challenged you on it; I asked for examples, you said you did not want to discuss it. And I pointed out that you wouldn’t find anything factual, because I followed this story and know none of those comments were anti-semitic. They were criticisms of Israel, AIPAC, anti-BDS legislation.

I said she has since being elected made it a point of issuing anti-semitic comments which apparently you see as only being criticisms of Israel, AIPAC, or ANTI-BDS legislation.

People do disagree with this understanding and it isn’t just people on the right.

 

[Rubee]

Rubee:

That is simply untrue. Please demonstrate where I have “put ALL her critics in worst possible light”:

Here is your first quote referencing Ilhan Omar:

Yeah, after the torrent of lies and hatred poured onto Ilhan Omar for the sin of criticizing Israel, Ima beg to disagree. Very strongly at that.

So pretty much ANYONE who CRITICIZES Omar about her critical stance of Israel is either a liar or hateful. It has nothing whatsoever to do with legitimate reasons or that her comments are actually anti-semitic.

That’s a blatant attempt to twist my words. You have spoken here of “the Left”. Shall we apply this bizarre standard you’re just now creating to say you’re accusing EVERYONE on the left of behaving in the ways you pointed out?

In that quote you’ve cited, I spoke of the torrent of hate she received. It’s not my fault if you decided that included everyone who criticized Ilhan. I mean, I did speak of the torrent of hatred she received (which she DID and still IS receiving), not criticism.

 

[josie_L]

That’s a blatant attempt to twist my words. You have spoken here of “the Left”. Shall we apply this bizarre standard you’re just now creating to say you’re accusing EVERYONE on the left of behaving in the ways you pointed out?

I am not twisting your words as yourself made no distinction/specificities and spoke only in GENERALITIES.

Moreover, I said that those on the left are more apt to use cancel culture because as I’ve already stated they control institutions, they control social media, the shape culture and more via Hollywood, Academia . . .etc.

This shouldn’t be a surprise to you.

 

[RidgeSprinter]

I think Tucker hates the country more.

 

[Rubee]

I am not twisting your words as yourself made no distinction/specificities and spoke only in GENERALITIES.

Moreover, I said that those on the left are more apt to use cancel culture because as I’ve already stated they control institutions, they control social media, the shape culture and more via Hollywood, Academia . . .etc.

This shouldn’t be a surprise to you.

I didn’t speak in generalities; I spoke of a torrent of hatred targeting Ilhan Omar as an example of Right-wing intolerance. YOU decided to include yourself in that category.

And no, it doesn’t surprise me, the intolerance displayed on the left. But you’re blatantly making a claim that I criticized everyone who criticized Omar: THAT IS NOT TRUE.

 

[The_Catholic_Dude]

Interesting that you missed the sentence after: “During election years, there may be many handouts and voter guides that are produced and distributed. We encourage Catholics to seek those resources authorized by their own bishops, their state Catholic conferences, and the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. This statement is intended to reflect and complement, not substitute for, the ongoing teaching of bishops in our own dioceses and states.” The latter statement clarifies that the original sentence is only intended to reflect and compliment. Not necessarily binding. Also I note, nowhere in this entire sentence, nor in the entire document, does it say to ignore voting guides, it says we recommend you seek resources that have been authorized by local bishops, but not to just ignore voting guides outright. btw, EWTN has received the blessing of the holy see in they’re mission, and the voters guide had the approval of the local bishop when it was originally released. So it fulfills that criteria. Its shocking to me how you can so grossly misinterpret this and refuse to even read the document described. That seems awfully ignorant to me.

 

[josie_L]

In your FIRST QUOTE mentioning Ilhan Omar you were DEFINING RIGHT WING INTOLERANCE as criticism of Omar vis a vis Israel as either hatred or lies. That is speaking in generalities.

Then I argued that just because someone despises another does not ipso facto mean that they want to curtail her right to free speech, which then led you to mention the death threats.

And although this is disgusting, I made it understood that I was referring to cancel culture within the mainstream and not the crazies out there who will always exist.

It is this MAINSTREAM cancer culture to which I am referring to that is MORE PREVALENT ON THE LEFT because in their attempts to banish any perceived intolerances/MICRO aggressions they are CURTAILING free speech.

 

[Rubee]

In your FIRST QUOTE mentioning Ilhan Omar you were DEFINING RIGHT WING INTOLERANCE as criticism of Omar vis a vis Israel as either hatred or lies. That is speaking in generalities.

Again, FALSE. In my FIRST comment, I cited the torrent of hatred Ilhan Omar received as an example of right-wing intolerance. Please produce the comment I made about “criticism.” I’m not interested in having you PUT WORDS in my mouth any longer.

I’ll wait for your quote.

If, in your world, criticism and hatred happen to be synonyms, do not project that onto me.

 

[puer.dei]

So pretty much ANYONE who CRITICIZES Omar about her stance or commentaries of Israel is either a liar or hateful. It has nothing whatsoever to do with legitimate disagreements or that her comments might actually be anti-semitic.

That is a complete misrepresentation of what Rubee said. No such thing was said.

 

[josie_L]

No, you didn’t. In your first comment to me you spoke of the fact right wingers also participate in cancel culture via BOYCOTTING.

Your second comment to me but your first comment mentioning Ilhan you spoke of the torrent of lies and hatred spewed against her for her criticism of Israel.

Now, why is every criticism directed at her regarding Israel a LIE??

You made no distinction between legitimate and/or false charges/criticism.

And I don’t even know why you’re denying this when clearly you don’t seem to think there is ANY LEGITIMATE REASON to criticize her comments/actions against Israel.

 

[Rubee]

Your second comment to me but your first comment mentioning Ilhan you spoke of the torrent of lies and hatred spewed against her for her criticism of Israel.

Now, why is every criticism directed at her regarding Israel a LIE??

So, not only can you not quote me claiming that every criticism is “a lie” (or hatred), you are just going to pretend you’ve found the non-existent comment, established the false charge, and then ask me to answer to that claim that you made up.

I will just keep asking you to quote me saying the things you are making up about me, but as a gazillionth reminder: I criticized the hatred directed at her. It’s not my fault criticism and hatred are synonyms for you. It’s also not my fault you claimed a history of anti-semitic remarks you cannot support or that you decided to defend that cited torrent of hate as something she brought onto herself by alleged acts on her part that you still cannot cite or demonstration.

 

[josie_L]

If you look at the quote that is what is implied when she claims the torrents of lies she receives regarding Israel are just that lies.

 

[puer.dei]

If you look at the quote that is what is implied when she claims the torrents of lies she receives regarding Israel are just that lies.

And if you look at the quote, nowhere does she say, as you falsely claimed, that " pretty much ANYONE who CRITICIZES Omar about her stance or commentaries of Israel is either a liar or hateful."

 

[josie_L]

It’s IMPLIED.

 

[puer.dei]

It’s IMPLIED.

Not to anyone not looking for implications that aren’t there.

 

[josie_L]

Right. So I’m to believe she is not trying to defend Omar from accusations of anti-semitism either, when even members of the democratic party could not even turn a blind eye to her bigoted views.

The Ilhan Omar anti-Semitism controversy, explained

Why her comments about “allegiance” to Israel created such a firestorm — and why it all matters.

www.vox.com

The long-simmering controversy over Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN)’s heated language on Israel has reached a boiling point — with House Democrats weighing a plan to vote on a resolution clearly designed to punish one of their own rising stars.

But, but they are ONLY A TORRENT OF LIES.

 

[Rubee]

It’s IMPLIED.

You mean projected.

 

[Rubee]

Right. So I’m to believe she is not trying to defend Omar from accusations of anti-semitism either, when even members of the democratic party could not even turn a blind eye to her bigoted views.

So you cannot site A SINGLE anti-semitic quote after claiming a HISTORY of them; Instead “Look, Democrats joined in too!” is your proof. I remind you, again, of your valiant efforts to protect Stefan Molyneux from charges of racism.

You’re still plainly lying about me.

 

[Rubee]

I’m to believe she is not trying to defend Omar from accusations of anti-semitism either,

Lol. I AM defending her from charges of anti-semitism. Have you proven it? (The anti-semitism you claimed)?

You on the other hand are plainly saying I said something I didn’t say and insisting on it even after I have highlighted your own misunderstanding (at least I assumed at first it was a misunderstanding); Almost like you know my mind better than me.