Tucker: Can the left lead a country they hate?

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I would take the authority of the pope, over the authority of the US bishops
But one does not supersede another if they do not address the same issue. Here is the full address:

http://www.vatican.va/content/bened...ben-xvi_spe_20060330_eu-parliamentarians.html

One is addressed to voters, the other to legislators who can actually vote on specific bills. We definitely need let our legislators know what we believe about these topics, without losing sight of the reason for the specifics. From the speech partially quoted by EWTN:
As far as the Catholic Church is concerned, the principal focus of her interventions in the public arena is the protection and promotion of the dignity of the person
http://www.vatican.va/content/bened...ben-xvi_spe_20060330_eu-parliamentarians.html

So if is it a legitimate question to ask which candidates uplifts the dignity of all people, and which one doesn’t?

Again, if everything here disqualifies a candidate, then third party, write-in, or not voting are the options.
 
But they are addressing the same issue, that is the common good, or non-negotiables list that makes a candidate worthy of election. I also yielded above that the candidates character is important, though I wouldn’t consider it the most important issue. I think this document is a good summary of the moral principles EWTN is proposing: https://www.ewtn.com/vote/download/moralguide.pdf
 
One feature of the cancel culture is being JUDGMENTAL, which some liberals are starting to see is anathema to a free and just society.
I see that among the right too. Just here in this board I saw people saying or insinuating they were going to boycott brands that are changing the names of some products with racist origins or that are problematic to some demographics. I see a whole lot of extreme judgmentalism flying around even here. The idea it’s a Left thing is a plain myth. They all do it.
 
It is a good article. I only have two objections, more short-comings than disagreement though.
Personal moral character is not unimportant, as it obviously informs the candidates appreciation of the moral dimension of public issues, but it is the stated commitment to public policy in keeping with the common good which is the most significant factor.
This one has a logic fallacy inherent. If a person has a history of lying and pandering, his stated commitment to public policy is useless, as is any other stated promise. How much depends on how chronic the issue with lying is. In light of this, the degree to which you can trust a stated policy has direct bearing on the value of stated policy.

Second, there is a logic disconnect which is not really established in regard to worthiness. The issues are nonnegotiable. This is basic Catholic theology. However, contrary to what Pope Benedict said, he did not establish a “distinction.” He gave several items that are non-negotiable from the principle of human dignity. He gave no other items in apposition to them, or as distinct from them. Pope Benedict did not say other items were negotiable. To the contrary, Pope Francis said no morals are negotiable in response to this misunderstanding.

Make no mistake. The USCCB makes it clear that abortion is the most important issue of our day. It is not the only issue, but it is primary. Even that, however, is important because of the principle of human dignity, according to Pope Benedict.

Which brings up an important question about abortion. Is the goal to stop abortion, or to pack the court? Arguably, even in a reversal of Roe v. Wade (which I believe to be a legal impossibility), many states will continue abortion, probably all, to some extent. That is because the American people have lost the value of human dignity, the principle behind the issue.

I would argue that until the hearts of the American people change, recognizing human dignity and the value of life, abortion will not do more than the steady decline it has, subject to a rise at any time. So, why is it that there is not more emphasis placed on the principle espoused by Pope Benedict, denouncing all the de-humanizing actions and statements that our politicians make? Politics. Thus, abortion becomes a political means to an economic end, when it is not an end, and should not be used as a means.
 
There is boycotting and then there is cancel culture.

CANCELING OUT INDIVIDUALS who do not have “RIGHT THINK” is part and parcel of cancel culture. That is something that is manifestly a leftist tool to shut down those who disagree with them thereby affecting our right to FREE SPEECH.

And I know of no one, no one on the right (pundit or individual) whose aim it is is to quail free speech.
 
And I know of no one, no one on the right (pundit or individual) whose aim it is is to quail free speech.
Yeah, after the torrent of lies and hatred poured onto Ilhan Omar for the sin of criticizing Israel, Ima beg to disagree. Very strongly at that.
 
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I’m sorry but Ilhan has made herself despised for more reasons than can be detailed here.
 
I’m sorry but Ilhan has made herself despised for more reasons than can be detailed here.
I’m sorry the same could be said of the people you were complaining about being cancelled. You see it’s easy to do when you claim the right to smear and then hate. You can’t detail anything substantive here because it’s mostly lies and taking her out of context, it’s what they did to her. And if you’re justifying the hatred she received, you lose any ground to lecture the left. You don’t make special rules for the side you support and then preach about cancel culture and hate for speech you don’t like.
 
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No, it’s not the same. Criticism is manifestly part of free speech but CANCELING OUT INDIVIDUALS by REFUSING THEM THE RIGHT TO SPEAK is NOT.
 
No, it’s not the same. Criticism is manifestly part of free speech but CANCELING OUT INDIVIDUALS by REFUSING THEM THE RIGHT TO SPEAK is NOT.
Who has been REFUSED the right to speak any more differently than Ilhan Omar?

What did she do?
  1. Criticized Israel, AIPAC, antiBDS legislation (which she did for Saudi Arabia too). The right decided this was “anti-semitism” and inspired a frightful torrent of hatred directed personally at her and her life.
  2. Complain about Muslims being made to all be responsible for 911 and similar comments. The right decided to pretend she was somehow supporting terrorists.
Etc., etc,. There’s nothing Ilhan Omar has said that other people on her side of the Isle have not; but she said it with a Muslim name, a Somali origin, and a hijab on her head, so that marks her as a “justifiable” target of the vilest attacks. Crazy. But good in that it showed some of us how vile the same people were who were complaining of intolerance on the other side.
 
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There is a history of anti-semitic remarks that revolve around Ilhan Omar.

My point is that it is not simply ONE REMARK which has caused individuals to despise her.

But that is not the point, she and they have a right to freely speak out on the subject without ANYONE attempting to take that away.

And there are those who would attempt to take it away, which is different than just criticizing.
 
There is a history of anti-semitic remarks that revolve around Ilhan Omar.
Merely repeating the same defamations the right used doesnt make it fact. That history is of cricisms of Israel, AIPAC, and anti-BDS legislation. Considering how much you argued against calling Molyneux racist, it surprises me that you’re completely fine claiming anti-semitism against someone without a single anti-semitic comment in her “history.”

Is this something you looked into? Or did you just trust that what was being repeated on the airwaves was factual?
 
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Personal moral character is not unimportant, as it obviously informs the candidates appreciation of the moral dimension of public issues, but it is the stated commitment to public policy in keeping with the common good which is the most significant factor.
Its important to note that there is a caveat, moral character is not unimportant which would imply if someone has a history of lying 100% of the time, then the moral character can be taken into account when trusting the person. However, since an administration is composed of multiple people that each with some form of power, it is less important. (That is also described later in the article).

And though Benedict never explicitly held that there are negotiable values (and Francis affirmed that no values are negotiable), there are situations and instances were the issue is more complex. For example, abortion is wrong in all cases, no matter what. That is a non-negotiable issue because it is an intrinsic evil and there is no form of justification that makes it right. Thievery on the other hand, can be justified, if a family is starving to death, and they’re only method of survival is to steal something, then that is the lesser of two evils. This would be a negotiable issue. Or, something that has many complex conflicting values. So something like the death penalty is wrong, but in some extreme examples its justified. So its considered negotiable. Here’s a good article on proportionality I’d recommend giving it a read: Proportionality and Voting: What Is Non-Negotiable?| National Catholic Register

Though I agree with you that in order for abortion to be effectively eliminated we need to change the culture and hearts of the American people, that doesn’t justify voting for a candidate that supports abortion. (That’s also mentioned in the article) While we work on changing our culture, we must also actively work to protect the unborn. Also, I believe reversing roe v wade would effect federal law, so that would make abortion illegal in every state, but thats besides the point. That means putting politicians in power that can do anything to prevent an innocent child from being killed. The intent of saving an unborn child, acting on it by putting someone in power who can do that, then the outcome of protecting that child is a good action. You also have to note, that the action of killing an unborn baby is far worse then the de-humanizing actions and statements of a politician. Again back to the negotiable example, those actions or statements aren’t intrinsically evil like abortion is, they are instead (for the most part) actions that can be justified in certain conditions. (lesser of two evils) Finally, election pro choice positions is not only wrong, but perpetuates the cycle of killing.
 
Something to note as well (couldn’t add earlier do to text limit) is that the values themselves are non-negotiable, but there are cases were two or more values conflict, or the situation is more complex
 
I’m not going to get into a debate about whether Ilhan did or didn’t because I am talking about the CANCEL CULTURE which INHIBITS FREE SPEECH.

CRITICIZING ILHAN for whatever motives you conjure up does not mean those who despise her want her right to free speech REMOVED because she holds these opinions.

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CRITICIZING ILHAN for whatever motives you conjure up does not mean those who despise her want her right to free speech REMOVED because she holds these opinions.
Yeah, I think several death threats count as an impediment to free speech, particularly when a whole media wing of the country is actively touting you as a terrorist sleeper/spy in congress. Do tell me whose free speech rights have been “removed”.

You can’t get into the Ilhan thing, because none of it is factual. It’s all right-wing mobbing against a practising Muslim from Africa for daring to think that she, too, can TALK freely, like any old left-winger. It’s also making sure no one can safely criticize Israel in that country.

PS: The treatment of her is absolutely relevant to the points you’re raising about “cancel culture” and the topic of this thread in general.
 
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Thank you for the compliment, also thanks for being respectful I appreciate it.
 
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