Two more cardinals back Communion for divorced and remarried

[Transformer]

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Why if only three of the 10 groups supported Kasper proposal, did 104 Bishops vote for those paragraphs?

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1404281.htm

If I had to guess, I would guess that the paragraphs in question didn’t explicitly endorse the Kasper proposal, but simply mentioned it as a general topic for future study, and a substantial minority (maybe a plurality?) of the synod bishops, while not directly on board with Communion for the sexually-active divorced-and-remarried, were at least willing to permit a mention of it.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

The Catholic Church seems like a hospital that says everyone is welcome, everyone can have a free consultation with a doctor. But sinners will not be given the medication needed, only the righteous will be given the medication of the Eucharist.

And we seem to refuse the medication to those most in need.

 

[JimG]

The Catholic Church seems like a hospital that says everyone is welcome, everyone can have a free consultation with a doctor. But sinners will not be given the medication needed, only the righteous will be given the medication of the Eucharist.

And we seem to refuse the medication to those most in need.

So why was everyone objecting to the Black Mass?

 

[PRmerger]

I’m thinking more like if your spouse cheats you allowed a divorce. Not the other way around. I’m thinking the “except for sexual immorality” refers to the wife in that passage

Except that’s not in the text. That’s what you’ve added.

So do you see how you are simply inserting what you would like the rule to be, rather than actually reading the text for what it says?

 

[JimG]

The Catholic Church seems like a hospital that says everyone is welcome, everyone can have a free consultation with a doctor. But sinners will not be given the medication needed, only the righteous will be given the medication of the Eucharist.

And we seem to refuse the medication to those most in need.

The medication is in the confessional.

 

[PRmerger]

The Catholic Church seems like a hospital that says everyone is welcome, everyone can have a free consultation with a doctor. But sinners will not be given the medication needed, only the righteous will be given the medication of the Eucharist.

And we seem to refuse the medication to those most in need.

They need not be refused. They simply need to repent and confess.

 

[OraLabora]

They need not be refused. They simply need to repent and confess.

And to do so, agree to live in complete continence. Otherwise they cannot even receive absolution and without absolution they are not deemed worthy to receive communion.

Some people have the strength to do that, some don’t. The problem is that it’s those who don’t, that need medicine to grow in strength and holiness. What happens instead is that the only the strong get the medicine.

It’s a very real dilemma (made worse by our culture of no-fault divorce).

I don’t pretend to have the answer; it was one of the hot topics of the Synod and has been referred for further study. I have my opinions on it but the solution is above our pay grade, and whatever it is we’ll be bound to assent to it. I’m not going to debate my opinions about the methods of resolving such issues any longer, I will let the Holy Spirit guide the Magisterium on that.

 

[PRmerger]

And to do so, agree to live in complete continence. Otherwise they cannot even receive absolution and without absolution they are not deemed worthy to receive communion.

Some people have the strength to do that, some don’t. The problem is that it’s those who don’t, that need medicine to grow in strength and holiness. What happens instead is that the only the strong get the medicine.

It’s a very real dilemma (made worse by our culture of no-fault divorce).

I don’t pretend to have the answer; it was one of the hot topics of the Synod and has been referred for further study. I have my opinions on it but the solution is above our pay grade, and whatever it is we’ll be bound to assent to it. I’m not going to debate my opinions about the methods of resolving such issues any longer, I will let the Holy Spirit guide the Magisterium on that.

I think the graces provided in the confessional are enough to perfect us.

At least until we sin again.

 

[jessebar]

They need not be refused. They simply need to repent and confess.

True! Jesus first word was…REPENT… And that means stop sinning. Nothing about gradually stopping sin…can’t receive Jesus when your not in the state of Grace, lest you eat and drink Judgement to yourself. I had to stop my sins in order to receive Him and it took me years! There is no special treatment for Homosexuals or Adulterers. He told Mary Magdalene Go and Sin NO MORE…Quite simple and unchanging. Anything less is from Satan +J.M.J.+

 

[ProVobis]

2 paragraphs on admission of divorced & remarried to Communion received majority vote but not 2/3. 104-74; 112-64.

I don’t see this as very comforting. It seems we’ve been so desensitized against sin, a revote may well give them the 2/3 and perhaps extend to all mortal sins soon afterwards.

 

[FollowChrist34]

The medication is in the confessional.

And also faith in Christ and God’s grace.

 

[Burdock]

Disappointed, if your husband or wife has committed adultery you should be allowed to remarry and recieve communion, no wonder people are leaving the church

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

The Catholic Church seems like a hospital that says everyone is welcome, everyone can have a free consultation with a doctor. But sinners will not be given the medication needed, only the righteous will be given the medication of the Eucharist.

And we seem to refuse the medication to those most in need.

Administering medical care in a contaminated environment renders the medicine worthless, and brings in new dangers (sacrilege)

Sterility is at a prime in any hospital.

You should know that!

 

[jessebar]

Disappointed, if your husband or wife has committed adultery you should be allowed to remarry and recieve communion, no wonder people are leaving the church

And what of Till Death do you part? Forgive and you will be forgiven?

 

[OraLabora]

I think the graces provided in the confessional are enough to perfect us.

At least until we sin again.

How does that work in practice? The divorced and remarried do not have access to the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

I know from my own experience without the graces of that sacrament I would have been in really big trouble.

 

[PRmerger]

How does that work in practice? The divorced and remarried do not have access to the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Catholic divorced and re-married couples cannot receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation?

I have never heard that before.

Can you offer some documentation of this, please?

 

[OraLabora]

Catholic divorced and re-married couples cannot receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation?

I have never heard that before.

Can you offer some documentation of this, please?

ewtn.com/expert/answers/communion_of_divorced_and_remarr.htm

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

ewtn.com/expert/answers/communion_of_divorced_and_remarr.htm

One final situation is that of those who have repented of their illicit union, but remain together for a serious reason, such as for the sake of their children. Catholic pastoral practice allows that IF their pastor judges that scandal can be avoided (meaning most people are unaware of their remarriage and consider them a married couple), then they may live together as “brother and sister” (without any sexual relations), and be admitted to the sacraments. If scandal can not be avoided, then they must either separate or refrain from the sacraments.

The divorced and remarried do indeed have recourse to the sacrament of reconciliation, but they must not fornicate any more.

 

[ProVobis]

The divorced and remarried do indeed have recourse to the sacrament of reconciliation, but they must not fornicate any more.

Right. When there is no danger to scandal, such as being old or sick or handicapped, most priests will hear their confessions.

 

[PRmerger]

ewtn.com/expert/answers/communion_of_divorced_and_remarr.htm

Well! That is troubling indeed. It makes little sense to me to prevent divorced and re-married couples from having access to a sacrament which reconciles them back to Him…

but that’s why I am in sales and not in management.

And that’s why I conform my views to what Christ has bound and loosed, not to my own personal palates.