U.S. bishops’ relief agency gives $5.3 million to major contraception-providing charity

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Used2beSherryG said:
Trojan Horse all the same. Justification doesn’t work here. Wake up and realize that the evil of contraception is what has ruined Europe and why they are all failing nations. They have contracepted themselves out of existence. Very few percentage wise are young able bodied workers and the population is aging with no infrastructure to support them. The modernist elite push contraception as they want to get rid of people who are messing up the environment, and interfering with their own egocentirc way of life. Planned parenthood is a baby killing machine that is now being exported around the globe to wipe out all the “undesireables”. Here, poor folks, take this free food, while we kill off your next and future generations. God fearing people need to wake up and see what the world is really coming to. Pray, do penance, receive the sacraments. We must be careful not to fall into the trap ourselves, allowing evil to grow and be perpetuated around the globe. We will all stand before God someday and have to make an accounting for our actions and inactions.
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You’re preaching to the choir. All did was affirm from the CARE website, that they do provide family planning services in poor countries.

I wasn’t supporting their support for such services.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
You’re preaching to the choir. All did was affirm from the CARE website, that they do provide family planning services in poor countries.

I wasn’t supporting their support for such services.

Jim
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Sorry, JIm! That is one of the downfalls of messaging. I mistook what your intention was in posting what you said. My apologies.:flowers:
 
I sent a message to the USCCB via email expressing my outrage and disgust and asking our Bishops to adhere strictly to the teachings of the Catholic Church or step down and enter remedial Catholicism 101. I this day received an answer from someone named Linda Gray. Her reply is copied and pasted here in full:

Thank you for your recent communication to Catholic Relief Services.
Catholic Relief Services, in communion with the Church, strictly upholds Catholic moral teaching. All of the CRS programs and all of the funds used by CRS are entirely consistent with Church teaching. Faithfulness to Church teaching always has been and always will be our policy. CRS always has taken very seriously decisions we make about the groups with which we collaborate or form partnerships to ensure that we are not violating the Church teachings. We do not fund, support or participate in any programming or advocacy that is not in line with Church teaching, including artificial birth control.

These concerns about grants and partnerships, including the concerns over CARE, were raised to CRS last year. The agency undertook a thorough review of all partnerships together with Dr. John Haas of the National Catholic Bioethics Center (NCBC). After careful review, their report came to three main conclusions:
  1. Code: 
       None of the activities listed suggest support of or involvement in immoral activities. In the terminology of moral theology, there is no material cooperation with evil.
  2. Code: 
       None of the funding from CRS was fungible. That is, there is little to no risk of the grant funds being used either (i) for purposes outside those outlined in the grant request or (ii) for freeing up money in the receiving organization for immoral purposes by virtue of their having received the grant from CRS.
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       The NCBC found that there could be a risk of controversy or scandal over such partnerships if people become confused and wrongly assume that CRS was endorsing a partner’s position on other issues. To avoid any misunderstanding, such as the Lifesite news article, CRS worked with the Bishops and the NCBC to address this risk through internal and external communications on our work, and continues to do so. This is spelled out in a statement posted below our Mission Statement on our website, titled The Catholic Values of CRS: [crs.org/about/mission-statement/](http://crs.org/about/mission-statement/)
CRS does promote abstinence and Natural Family Planning as embraced by the Church. You can find more details at crs.org/east-timor/healthier-moms-healthier-babies/.
Thank you for the opportunity to clarify this point.
May God bless you,

IMHO, point number two is totally bogus - a fine example of rationalization and justification.
 
Used2beSherryG said:
I sent a message to the USCCB via email expressing my outrage and disgust and asking our Bishops to adhere strictly to the teachings of the Catholic Church or step down and enter remedial Catholicism 101. I this day received an answer from someone named Linda Gray. Her reply is copied and pasted here in full:

Thank you for your recent communication to Catholic Relief Services.
Catholic Relief Services, in communion with the Church, strictly upholds Catholic moral teaching. All of the CRS programs and all of the funds used by CRS are entirely consistent with Church teaching. Faithfulness to Church teaching always has been and always will be our policy. CRS always has taken very seriously decisions we make about the groups with which we collaborate or form partnerships to ensure that we are not violating the Church teachings. We do not fund, support or participate in any programming or advocacy that is not in line with Church teaching, including artificial birth control.

These concerns about grants and partnerships, including the concerns over CARE, were raised to CRS last year. The agency undertook a thorough review of all partnerships together with Dr. John Haas of the National Catholic Bioethics Center (NCBC). After careful review, their report came to three main conclusions:
  1. Code: 
       None of the activities listed suggest support of or involvement in immoral activities. In the terminology of moral theology, there is no material cooperation with evil.
  2. Code: 
       None of the funding from CRS was fungible. That is, there is little to no risk of the grant funds being used either (i) for purposes outside those outlined in the grant request or (ii) for freeing up money in the receiving organization for immoral purposes by virtue of their having received the grant from CRS.
  3. Code: 
       The NCBC found that there could be a risk of controversy or scandal over such partnerships if people become confused and wrongly assume that CRS was endorsing a partner’s position on other issues. To avoid any misunderstanding, such as the Lifesite news article, CRS worked with the Bishops and the NCBC to address this risk through internal and external communications on our work, and continues to do so. This is spelled out in a statement posted below our Mission Statement on our website, titled The Catholic Values of CRS: [crs.org/about/mission-statement/](http://crs.org/about/mission-statement/)
CRS does promote abstinence and Natural Family Planning as embraced by the Church. You can find more details at crs.org/east-timor/healthier-moms-healthier-babies/.
Thank you for the opportunity to clarify this point.
May God bless you,

IMHO, point number two is totally bogus - a fine example of rationalization and justification.
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I would not donate to Catholic Relief Services and it is sad to see the USSCB defending the grant to CARE. Email says the money is not fungible but that is not what Human Life international President says and he must have a reason for his doubts

Point 2 says little to no risk. Why any risk at all?
 
_Abyssinia said:
**I would not donate to Catholic Relief Services **and it is sad to see the USSCB defending the grant to CARE. Email says the money is not fungible but that is not what Human Life international President says and he must have a reason for his doubts

Point 2 says little to no risk. Why any risk at all?
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I haven’t for quite some time.
 
Used2beSherryG said:
IMHO, point number two is totally bogus - a fine example of rationalization and justification.
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IMHO also,and i find it interesting that John Hass opinion carrys weight with them up to the point that he disagrees with them .🤷
 
This is very disturbing to me. I really don’t understand with the Bishops would do such a thing. It sounds to me like some reform is needed.
 
Sigh. Here’s another example for me to point to as to why I don’t trust LifeSiteNews as a news source. 😦 I really, really, really would like to support them as they have a wonderful mission to report on stories that the major media outlets ignore in order to shine a light onto the culture of death. But they make it so hard to trust them.

Brandon Vogt did a pretty good job of breaking down this whole ordeal:

Compassion vs. CARE: A Defense of Catholic Relief Services
 
Joe_5859 said:
Sigh. Here’s another example for me to point to as to why I don’t trust LifeSiteNews as a news source. 😦 I really, really, really would like to support them as they have a wonderful mission to report on stories that the major media outlets ignore in order to shine a light onto the culture of death. But they make it so hard to trust them.

Brandon Vogt did a pretty good job of breaking down this whole ordeal:

Compassion vs. CARE: A Defense of Catholic Relief Services
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They did seem to jump the gun a bit, but to be fair, the article you cited openly admits the potential for significant scandal from the associations between CRS and CARE, with its open and strident disagreements with Catholic social teachings. At this time in our nation, with all of the discussion surrounding the HHS mandate, contraception, same sex marriage, abortion, etc. we cannot afford to have mixed messages coming out of the USCCB. As one lawyer who commented on that article noted, it is highly likely that things like this will be added to the Obama Administrations briefs as evidence that Catholic organizations don’t really have a problem with contraception and that the bishops are out of touch and making a mountain out of a molehill.

Highly imprudent, but not immoral is probably a good way to describe it. Planned Parenthood supposedly operates the same way in that they claim that the money taken from taxpayers, which they receive, is not going towards abortions. However, I can’t imagine that anyone here would suggest that this makes it morally acceptable for a Catholic organization to donate money to Planned Parenthood. Doing so would be highly imprudent and would cause great harm to the many efforts of pro-life Catholics around the country, and indeed the world.

Its well past time that the offices of the USCCB and the organizations they affiliate with start paying closer attention to the scandal which is caused by actions which are taken. How many faithful Catholics have been disillusioned because of associations such as this one through the years? How much ammunition and cover has been given to the enemies of the Church and those who seek to destroy her because of associations such as this? How much damage has been done to the propagation of Catholic social teaching because of associations such as this? It is obviously hard to quantify these things, but even a conservative estimate would have to say that the numbers would be large.

Finally, this is not exactly CRS’s first rodeo when it comes to issues such as this. catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=8094

So, until CRS and the USCCB start focusing more on the big picture, to include how their actions and associations affect the Church at large, to include giving scandal to the faithful and damaging efforts in other areas, I will continue to withhold my donations and will instead give to other charities who do not have such issues.
 
Joe_5859 said:
Sigh. Here’s another example for me to point to as to why I don’t trust LifeSiteNews as a news source. 😦 I really, really, really would like to support them as they have a wonderful mission to report on stories that the major media outlets ignore in order to shine a light onto the culture of death. But they make it so hard to trust them.

Brandon Vogt did a pretty good job of breaking down this whole ordeal:

Compassion vs. CARE: A Defense of Catholic Relief Services
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Lifesitenews is ideological, and this causes problems for any ideological agency, when they write about things they have no actual experience in, and merely express their ideological point of view, in order to serve their own agenda.

Jim
 
jwinch2 said:
Its well past time that the offices of the USCCB and the organizations they affiliate with start paying closer attention to the scandal which is caused by actions which are taken. How many faithful Catholics have been disillusioned because of associations such as this one through the years? How much ammunition and cover has been given to the enemies of the Church and those who seek to destroy her because of associations such as this? How much damage has been done to the propagation of Catholic social teaching because of associations such as this? It is obviously hard to quantify these things, but even a conservative estimate would have to say that the numbers would be large.

**Finally, this is not exactly CRS’s first rodeo when it comes to issues such as this. **catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=8094

So, until CRS and the USCCB start focusing more on the big picture, to include how their actions and associations affect the Church at large, to include giving scandal to the faithful and damaging efforts in other areas, I will continue to withhold my donations and will instead give to other charities who do not have such issues.
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I agree and now that we are seeing good signs of more and more reforms, I would hope that the CRS policymakers who are flirting with fire would be investigated. And let’s hear from our individual bishops on this. I’m certain I will when I write “The Letter” in lieu of a check at the next basket passing in our parish for the CRS.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Lifesitenews is ideological, and this causes problems for any ideological agency, when they write about things they have no actual experience in, and merely express their ideological point of view, in order to serve their own agenda.

Jim
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Ideological? "Ideological is an adjective that describes political, cultural, or religious beliefs. An ideology is a body of ideas, and those who agree with the main idea of something take an ideological stand to support it. " Serving the “agenda” or principles of the Catholic Church seems like a wonderful ideological stance to me. Maybe I am missing your point, JimR. Upholding the teachings of the Church are in fact, ideological principles. ?? Can you clarify the point you are making?? I’d appreciate it immensely as I don’t get your drift, here. Thx.
 
Used2beSherryG said:
Ideological? "Ideological is an adjective that describes political, cultural, or religious beliefs. An ideology is a body of ideas, and those who agree with the main idea of something take an ideological stand to support it. " Serving the “agenda” or principles of the Catholic Church seems like a wonderful ideological stance to me. Maybe I am missing your point, JimR. Upholding the teachings of the Church are in fact, ideological principles. ?? Can you clarify the point you are making?? I’d appreciate it immensely as I don’t get your drift, here. Thx.
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Being ideological is great for a group of believers in a religious institution, prayer group and such.

However, being ideological as a self-described news source, discredits their objective reporting. This is especially evident after they’ve been caught presenting misinformation so often.

Jim
 
I am afraid that I must re-evaluate my support of CRS. While their methology may be fine, their subsequent decision-making process is clearly in need of improvement. As well, their apologetic weasel words are side-stepping the issue rather than facing it dead on. I got a bad feeling when the leadership recently changed. There are plenty of other solidly Catholic charities…

bishopgassis.org/ (South Sudan support)

missionariesofafrica.org/ (African missions)

are a couple of worthwhile examples.
 
Fact that Catholic Relief Services are trying to minimise this shows they realise the problem they have got themselves in to. Catholic Relief Services are giving money to CARE, which promotes contraception and is vocally opposed to anti abortion legislation. That money could be fungible, John Haas said it is not, Human Life International President says it is. Money that you donate to Catholic Relief Services may go to CARE. Even if it does not, I do not want to donate to an organisation that thinks it is acceptable to give money to such an organisation as CARE
 
Their poor attempt to justify what they have done simply isn’t good enough. Here’s a quote I heard the other day on this story and I believe it.
These social justice groups (like CARE) wish to eliminate poverty by eliminating the poor.
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I’m not surprised at CRS - their past speaks of similar actions, but nonetheless, each time the betrayal still smarts.
 
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