Unamerican Secret Trial presided by Democrat Adam Schiff

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Maximus1 . . .
They extorted the Ukrainian president and threatened him with his COUNTRY to get him to say we are investigating . What evil could surpass that?
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Of course this is not what happened is it?

And the Obama administration withheld help for Ukraine during the Russian invasion didn’t they?

What could be worse than your invented scenario? What evil could surpass that?

Biden using his power to call off an internal corruption probe into Burisma while his kid was on the take for 80K a MONTH. An anti-corruption probe from the Ukraine itself . . . . and get their chief investigator fired . . . Then bragging about it.

That evil could surpass that (false extortion scenario you painted).
 
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You didn’t address the impeachment facts. You focused on Biden. There I no issue with Biden. ( Charges?).
Obama was acting as president. The is no issue.
Good! Let’s get to the case where the facts will come out.
 
You didn’t address the impeachment facts.
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That’s becuase there are so few of them.

The few facts there are, I have already addressed.
 
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The only flaw is Biden was following orders not giving them. So they just ignore that on Hannity.
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Biden as VP was following the orders of who, exactly? Obama?

So you want to implicate him as well in the disappearance of $7B?

Well, okay, then.

The way I understood it was that Biden expected Obama to back him and his decisions because he was made the “point man” in Ukraine by Obama. Delegation of responsibility. He wasn’t following orders, he was making decisions on the ground. You may want to look into this just a little deeper.

What precisely was the corruption of Shokin? That he was investigating corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs or those covering for them in the disappearance of billions?

I suppose if that is your and Biden’s definition of corruption we can find no common ground. Black is white. Up is down.

Carry on.
 
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Maximus1 said:
How silly?
They extorted the Ukrainian president and threatened him with his COUNTRY to get him to say we are investigating . What evil could surpass that?
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I suppose raising billions in aid to a hurricane and earthquake ravaged country like Haiti and then spending virtually nothing to rebuild the country, except to promote licensing of a gold mine connected to Hillary’s brother, Tony Rodham, or a failed industrial park, could surpass that. If what you claim is even true.
 
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This whole hoax is imploding as we speak and will continue .However the D ms/left will refuse to accept this latest failure and will just move on to something else . They are nothing if not persistent in their efforts to oust a duly elected president and disregard the will of the people who voted him in. Diabolical!
 
Jeanne_S said:
This whole hoax is imploding as we speak and will continue .However the D ms/left will refuse to accept this latest failure and will just move on to something else . They are nothing if not persistent in their efforts to oust a duly elected president and disregard the will of the people who voted him in. Diabolical!
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It isn’t about political opposition. It isn’t even about Trump so much as the frantic attempt to cover up eight years of corrupt practices by the Democrats. They were emboldened to carry forward the corruption by the certainty that Hillary would win again. When that didn’t happen, they frantically tried to sweep the garbage they had been up to under the rug of the collusion narrative. Thankfully, whoever gave Trump the “heads up” was in the position to reveal the ends of loose threads that would begin unraveling key details.

I think even the Mueller Special Counsel will provide more evidence of the corruption, given the role of people like Andrew Weissmann. The Michael Flynn case certainly is and will.

The puzzling thing on CAF is whether the defenders of the Dems on forums such as this are intentionally out to deceive or themselves victims of deception. The consistent blindness to all evidence contrary to their perspective is either puzzling or revealing. Not sure which, yet.
 
Yes I agree that is the crux of the issue.Listeng to Victoria Tensic and Joe DeGenovia we can look forward to some very frightening revelations re what you mention
 
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HarryStotle . . . .
The puzzling thing on CAF is whether the defenders of the Dems on forums such as this are intentionally out to deceive or themselves victims of deception. The consistent blindness to all evidence contrary to their perspective is either puzzling or revealing.
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This is insightful.

Someone was just telling me that by Joe getting the anti-corruption investigator who was investigating Hunter’s affililiated company in Ukraine fired,
it REALLY means Joe was himself fighting foreign corruption.

I’m thinking, WHO could believe this stuff??

I get it. The leftist media keeps peddling that line.

But that is what I EXPECT them to do.

But to think it through what the media is feeding these guys nightly, just doesn’t make sense. At least if you think it through.

Here is the discussion point on THAT.

https://forums.catholic-questions.org/t/going-fullmulvaney/575163/36?u=cathoholic
 
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Cathoholic said:
on Biden getting the anti-corruption prosecuter removed who happened to be investigating Biden’s kid’s cash-cow company Advocating for the removal of a government official notorious for allowing and enabling corruption… to be replaced by someone that would take corruption more seriously… to spare Hunter Biden from corruption charges. ??? Yeah sure. That’s the party line Because Biden did this against “corrupt” officials everywhere right?
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The problem is that the supposed corruption of Shokin is never spelled out. It is just taken on Biden’s word that he was corrupt. What did he do? is the question. And What evidence is there that he did it?

I haven’t come across any.
 
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dvdjs said:
Co-conspirators in Trump;s abuse of power.
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Can you provide any evidence they are co-conspirators in alleged abuse of power? I have not seen that.

I do see a report they were possibly involved in uncovering corruption and abuse of power by the VP during the last administration. That must be what you are referring to.

It would more accurate to use alleged abuse of power which has not been proved yet. As of now your statement is false.
 
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Can you provide any evidence they are co-conspirators in alleged abuse of power
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They worked with Giuliani in the back channel shakedown in Ukraine. Here are some links to that go back to a FOX story.


www.thedailybeast.com

Frequent Fox Guests diGenova and Toensing Reportedly Teamed Up With Giuliani on Ukraine-Biden

Fox News cited a U.S. official who said all three were working off the books apart from the administration, and the only person who knew “what they were doing is President Trump.”
www.thedailybeast.com
 
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Two ex president’s and whatever version of the facts.
Ex president’s! Vs sitting. And vs wielding congressionally approved money.
In impeachment.
Was a law broken by Clinton and Bush? Prosecute.
 
Bribery and extortion facts. About a dozen witnesses to testify to them. I agree they are not defensible
 
Maximus1 . . . .
Bribery and extortion facts. About a dozen witnesses to testify to them.
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There was no bribery.

And the only possible U.S. extortion I know of in Ukraine involves Joe Biden.
 
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