Understanding the Trinity

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Servant19 said:
Unitarian Universalists claim Apostolic succession dating back to the Ebionites and James the Just.

They don’t believe in the full divinity of Jesus. Are they guided by the Holy Spirit too?

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Never met any of them. But what I’ve found is: The defining belief of Unitarian Universalism is that religion is a matter of individual experience, and that, therefore, only the individual can decide what to “believe”.

Certainly not Apostolic.

MJ
 
eddie_too said:
I do not foresee much success for people who think that those of us who believe that God so loved the world that He sent His ONLY begotten Son so that whoever might believe in Him would be saved should reject this believe and instead believe that God did not so love the world.
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Don’t forget David. 🙂
A begotten Son of God.
why would any rational human being stop believing that their Creator loved them so much that He chose to share their misery so that they would be freed from their misery?
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Come on eddie, don’t be so dramatic.
No one has ever said that we should stop believing in Jesus or the sacrifice of the Cross 🙂
(Please note the capital C, it’s a sign of respect and reverence)
it is wise to compare what others, specifically those who want you to stop placing your faith in the ONLY Son of God and His Gospel, are telling you to believe to the Gospel of Jesus Christ as we have received it through His apostles and their successors.
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Isn’t it wise then for all Jews to listen to what all their Rabbis are telling them before they stop placing their faith in Moses?

There would be no Christianity today if Jews were to take this advice.
it is highly unlikely that people with no connection to the apostles and their successors have either the knowledge or understanding necessary to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. because of this, it makes sense that they reject the Lord’s Gospel and seek to replace it with a gospel of a human person.
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Nobody is rejecting the Gospel 🙂
Just as the Torah was demystified through fulfilment, the same is being done to the Gospel.
If the Gospel can do that to the Torah, then theBahai Writings can do that to the Gospel.

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non-Christians CANNOT know and understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

that they imagine they do understand it enough to correct the successors to the apostles in their teaching the Gospel pretty much validates my point quite vividly and succinctly.

only Jesus came DOWN from heaven. no other human being has come down from heaven.

the idea that men who have not come down from heaven, and who have not received the apostolic commission, think that they can change what we received from Jesus pretty much cements the idea that their knowledge and understanding is inadequate and not fruits of the Holy Spirit.
 
eddie_too said:
non-Christians CANNOT know and understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

that they imagine they do understand it enough to correct the successors to the apostles in their teaching the Gospel pretty much validates my point quite vividly and succinctly.

only Jesus came DOWN from heaven. no other human being has come down from heaven.

the idea that men who have not come down from heaven, and who have not received the apostolic commission, think that they can change what we received from Jesus pretty much cements the idea that their knowledge and understanding is inadequate and not fruits of the Holy Spirit.
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Jesus was just one of nine or so “Manifestations of God” they all came down from Heaven …Get your Facts straight eddie !!!
 
interestingly enough, the other eight (as counted by whom I do not know, who is included in the eight?) never claimed to come down from heaven. interestingly enough, none of the other eight even claimed to know the Father except maybe for those who came after Jesus and knew of the Father through Jesus.

I read somewhere that this idea of some men being manifestations of God includes moses and Buddha. neither moses nor Buddha claimed to come down from heaven. neither one claimed God as their Father. neither one said he would send the Holy Spirit. neither one preached that they and the Father are One.

the more one examines the claims of those who say they supplant the successors to the apostles given to us by Jesus, the more evidently the claims ring hollow and shallow.
 
eddie_too said:
I read somewhere that this idea of some men being manifestations of God includes moses and Buddha. neither moses nor Buddha claimed to come down from heaven. neither one claimed God as their Father.
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Only because of Man’s meager understanding of this, but it has now been revealed by Bahá’u’lláh that they do indeed come down from Heaven, and are exactly like Jesus in his Essence… just as the Father is the Essence of the Kingdom of names, and the Kingdom of names is the Essence God… who is not the Father.
 
Techno2000 said:
Only because of Man’s meager understanding of this, but it has now been revealed by Bahá’u’lláh that they do indeed come down from Heaven, and are exactly like Jesus in his Essence… just as the Father is the Essence of the Kingdom of names, and the Kingdom of names is the Essence God… who is not the Father.
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Passages to consider are;

2 Peter 3:3-4 ESV

Knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”

Matthew 24:22

And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short

God bless all.and regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
Passages to consider are;

2 Peter 3:3-4 ESV

Knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”

Matthew 24:22

And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short

God bless all.and regards Tony
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I dont scoff at the second coming of Jesus, but I do scoff at Bahaism because it is impossible to understand and make zero sense, especially when you all say it’s a New Crystal Clear Revelation for man.

PS sorry for being so Blunt…🙂
 
TonyBS said:
Passages to consider are;

2 Peter 3:3-4 ESV

Knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”

Matthew 24:22

And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short

God bless all.and regards Tony
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The above Scripture , could not have been put together without due consideration of the experiences of those who lived with, loved and touched Jesus. After all, Jesus didn’t write but gave the Authority to the Apostles to spread the Good News.

MJ
 
Techno2000 said:
I dont scoff at the second coming of Jesus, but I do scoff at Bahaism because it is impossible to understand and make zero sense, especially when you all say it’s a New Crystal Clear Revelation for man.

PS sorry for being so Blunt…🙂
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That’s quite OK

One has to look without preconceived ideas.

Regards Tony
 
Servant19 said:
So God creates order AND disorder??

I wonder what our friend Techno would say if Baha’u’llah revealed ordered teachings and disordered teachings

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Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create the darkness,
I make weal and create woe;[a]
I, the Lord, do all these things.

Footnotes (NABRE):

[a] 45:7 Create woe: God created and controls all aspects of creation (light and darkness, order and chaos).
 
Vico said:
Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create the darkness,
I make weal and create woe;[a]
I, the Lord, do all these things.

Footnotes (NABRE):

[a] 45:7 Create woe: God created and controls all aspects of creation (light and darkness, order and chaos).
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Thankyou Vico, are you saying that there are disordered teachings in the Catholic Church?
(since that is the context of the post you are responding to)

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Servant19 said:
Thankyou Vico, are you saying that there are disordered teachings in the Catholic Church?
(since that is the context of the post you are responding to)

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No, the scripture is ordered and also, what God does is ordered and that includes light and dark, weal and woe.
 
Vico said:
No, the scripture is ordered and also, what God does is ordered and that includes light and dark, weal and woe.
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Indeed He does.

The context was therefore, why would the Holy Spirit create division between the Orthodox, and Catholic teachings?

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Servant19 said:
Indeed He does.

The context was therefore, why would the Holy Spirit create division between the Orthodox, and Catholic teachings?

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So you believe the Holy Spirit creates conflict?

Now then, my lad, it seems you don’t really understand Christianity.

You like to pretend you do.

You don’t.
 
Servant19 said:
Indeed He does.

The context was therefore, why would the Satan create division between the Orthodox, and Catholic teachings?

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I took the liberty of correcting your question and the answer is because he seeks to destroy the bride of Christ.
 
castle_hunter said:
So you believe the Holy Spirit creates conflict?

Now then, my lad, it seems you don’t really understand Christianity.

You like to pretend you do.

You don’t.
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I don’t believe that, Catholics must do…

So why the irreconcilable differences between Orthodox and Catholic Churches?

Aren’t both Churches guided by the Holy Spirit?

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Servant19 said:
I don’t believe that, Catholics must do…

So why the irreconcilable differences between Orthodox and Catholic Churches?

Aren’t both Churches guided by the Holy Spirit?

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No Catholic (or any other Christian) said that.

You said that.

Now calm down laddy, don’t get tetchy, and tell us what you think instead of deliberately misquoting others. That is a rather pathetic debating technique that makes you (not those you do it to) look foolish.
 
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