Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament

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Yeah, I really doubt the USA is going to disarm our Nukes.

Christian values only go so far.
 
Well, it is the idea of the Catholic Church and its leaders.
The inevitable alternative to getting rid of our nukes is global nuclear war.
Is that a good idea?
 
Thank you, for this observation. In my opinion it demonstrates that the USA is not actually practicing Christian values.
 
undead_rat said:
Well, it is the idea of the Catholic Church and its leaders.
The inevitable alternative to getting rid of our nukes is global nuclear war.
Is that a good idea?
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How is nuclear war inevitable? What nukes have done is made a general war between the Great Powers less likely. It certainly makes proxy wars more common, which is very bad for those stuck in the middle of such conflicts, but they remain regional conflagrations, instead of massive military actions across large areas of Eurasia or any other continent.

The only way nukes get shelved is when we find some even more effective means of mass destruction. When we have our antimatter bombs, then we’ll beat the nuclear swords into plowshares.
 
JoshuaIsLord said:
Christian values only go so far.
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Christian values do not dictate throwing down your sword when an enemy is threatening you with theirs. It’s going to take a paradigm shift for EVERYONE to be willing to put down their weapons at the same time, and I’m pretty sure myself that won’t happen until Jesus comes again.
 
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undead_rat said:
Thank you, for this observation. In my opinion it demonstrates that the USA is not actually practicing Christian values.
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All I see is a lack of reasoning.

The ‘long peace’ of the last 60+ years has saved many lives vs the history of wars. Nuclear weapons save lives through deterrence.
 
Raxus said:
Christian values do not dictate throwing down your sword when an enemy is threatening you with theirs. It’s going to take a paradigm shift for EVERYONE to be willing to put down their weapons at the same time, and I’m pretty sure myself that won’t happen until Jesus comes again.
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Like I said, Christian values only go so far. The USA, the greatest self proclaimed Christian Nation…will not set the example…Christian values only go so far.
 
undead_rat said:
Thank you, for this observation. In my opinion it demonstrates that the USA is not actually practicing Christian values.
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where do you get the idea that the usa is practicing christian values? haven’t you noticed the direction obama took the nation? nothing christian about it.
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No place for nuclear weapons in Christianity
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when did Jesus tell israel or rome to disarm? He acknowledges the evil in the world. He doesn’t teach like evil doesn’t exist.
if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one…
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maybe the pope needs to comment on things he can actually influence
 
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The Pope regards himself as a moral authority an he currently occupies one of the biggest bully pulpits on the planet. I would expect nothing less from Pope Francis, and while on an idealistic level I can’t criticize his stand, it is ultimately idealistic and impossible.

It’s like calling for peace in the Middle East, expected from some quarters even if it seems unachievable in the near future.
 
niceatheist said:
How is nuclear war inevitable? What nukes have done is made a general war between the Great Powers less likely.
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Despite having nuclear weapons the USA has nontheless become involved in many wars. Our nukes did not deter the Vietnamese from overthrowing the puppet government and army that the French had set up, and they did not deter Russia and China from helping them to do that.

I am aware that the following perspective will fall on deaf ears (no offense), but I present it anyway. Jewish and Christian scriptures predict a world-wide distaster of fire which seems to be a global nuclear war. Starting with Genesis 8:21, YHWH promises never again to destroy all of mankind as He did with the flood. That seems to indicate that the coming disaster of fire is manmade. This idea fits with Psalm 9:15-16 which reads:
The nations have fallen into the pit that they dug;
they are caught by the feet in the snare they set themselves.
YHWH has made Himself known, has given judgment.
He has trapped the wicked in the work of their own hands.

That’s our nuclear weapons for you. Although they present a great danger to us, we are afraid to get rid of them.
Luke 12:49:
I have come to bring a fire to the earth, and how I wish it were blazing already!
 
The Vietnam war was a regional war. Compare that to global conflagrations like the Thirty Years War or the two World Wars.
 
Having nuclear weapons /= guaranteed nuclear war. It is in fact easily arguable that nuclear weapons have prevented large scale war between the world powers. You are much more likely to find a diplomatic solution to a problem with a country that can anihilate you with the push of a button than otherwise.

It would be ideal to live on a world where nuclear weapons weren’t a thing and all we had was nuclear power or something. Unfortunately we do have nukes, and we can’t just learn how to unmake them. We will probably be in a good ole Mexican standoff with the other nuclear powers until the Second Coming.
 
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Theo520 said:
The ‘long peace’ of the last 60+ years has saved many lives vs the history of wars. Nuclear weapons save lives through deterrence.
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It is not proven that nuclear weapons have prevented a world war. That is speculation. The world has experienced many regional wars since 1945.
It is our government’s propaganda that nuclear weapons are keeping us safe. Exactly the opposite is true. These evil devices present an unprecedented danger to us and to the whole world as well. This prediction by the Prophet Jeremiah will give you some idea as to what lays in store for us from our precious nukes:
See! The disaster spreads
from nation to nation.
A mighty tempest rises
from the far ends of the earth.
Those slaughtered by YHWH that day will be scattered across the world from end to end. No dirge will be raised for them. No one will gather them or bury them. They will stay lying on the ground like dung.

Then there is Isaiah 2:19 & 66:15-16, Luke 12:49 & 21:34-35, and many other predictions along the same line.
 
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Just repeating yourself instead of engaging in discussion is not helping your cause. I sure hope you do things differently when evangelizing!
 
They probably had the same arguments about Greek Fire and gunpowder…
 
FirstFiveEighth said:
Unfortunately we do have nukes, and we can’t just learn how to unmake them. We will probably be in a good ole Mexican standoff with the other nuclear powers until the Second Coming.
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Yikes! Of course we can “unmake” our nuclear weapons (that’s what unilateral nuclear disarmament is all about.) We just lack the will to accomplish that together with the trust in our Creator that we have been mandated to hold.
Interesting to note that you mention the “Second Coming.” It is my belief that Global Nuclear War is exactly that: the Advent of YHWH. Luke 21:34-35:
that day will be sprung on you like a trap. For it will come down on every living man on the face of the earth.
 
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My mistake in typing. I meant that we cannot unlearn how to make them. Just like we can’t unlearn how to make pistols or unlearn how to make the internal combustion engine.

Well I suppose we could unlearn how to make nukes, but we would have to destroy every nuke and every plant and every paper and everything else associated with nuclear energy. And then we would have to kill or eternally silence every nuclear physicist, engineer, etc. And then we have only reset the clock, since nuclear fusion is a process of the natural world that we would simply have to rediscover again.

Basically what I am saying is that nuclear disarmament is more or less unfeasible in our world. Even if we eliminated all the warheads today, all it will take is one war before someone decides they better start building warheads again.

And yes I know “unlearn” isn’t proper English.
 
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