US Catholic bishops applaud judge’s immigration decision

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“Socialist bishops??” :confused:

What does this article have to do with socialism?
 
Good?

I live in Arizona, am not Hispanic, and am glad that bits of the law are being blocked. It is an awful law with good intentions. It seeks to protect our borders and our country but, it does not uphold the dignity of the human person and that is where it’s major fault lies. Not to mention that it puts our police officers in extra unnecessary danger in forcing them to deal with situations that normally do not fall under their duties. SB1070 has also caused a lot of innocent business owners to get hurt in the process due to the boycotting of Arizona by just about everywhere now. My father works as a deportation officer and must deal with flying illegal immigrants back to Mexico… and some of the sad things that he tells me… Our laws must be upheld when it comes to immigration but, the dignity of the human person must not be forgotten. They may be Mexican and we may be American but, we are both equally children of God.👍
 
I wonder when people will realize that anyone who comes to this country illegally is breaking the law. I am all for people coming here legally, learning English and working and taking care of their families. I am against those who come here illegally. On a similar subject - why do we have to have everything written in Spanish?
 
Good?

I live in Arizona, am not Hispanic, and am glad that bits of the law are being blocked.
Fine, I disagree with you, but I accept your opinion

It is an awful law with good intentions. It seeks to protect our borders and our country but, it does not uphold the dignity of the human person and that is where it’s major fault lies.
**It is a good law, modeled after federal law, that protects our border. It does uphold the little dignity a illegal immigrant has left. If we shot an illegal immigrant on the spot, that would not uphold the dignity of a person. However, sending them back to their home country does uphold their dignity.
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Not to mention that it puts our police officers in extra unnecessary danger in forcing them to deal with situations that normally do not fall under their duties.
… Cops can only ask for legal status if you get pulled over for something else. Read the law. Also, don’t you have to give your cop ID when you get pulled over anyway? Whats the big deal?

SB1070 has also caused a lot of innocent business owners to get hurt in the process due to the boycotting of Arizona by just about everywhere now.
If they support people breaking the law, I don’t find them innocent. There are plenty of legal citizens who need jobs, and most would do it for around the same cost.

My father works as a deportation officer and must deal with flying illegal immigrants back to Mexico… and some of the sad things that he tells me…
Anchor children I’m guessing? It is sad. Very much so. The idea that people want to use their children as a way to make people feel so bad for them, that the parents can get legal status is imo child abuse.

Our laws must be upheld when it comes to immigration but, the dignity of the human person must not be forgotten.
How does this law stop the dignity of a person. Illegals break the dignity of our laws. Where is the outcry over that? We have one of the most lenient systems for illegal immigrants who are found. Any other country has far worse consequences for illegal who are discovered.
They may be Mexican and we may be American but, we are both equally children of God.👍
Amen, so they should respect us and our laws as well.
 
“Socialist bishops??” :confused:

What does this article have to do with socialism?
That was my first thought as well. I could do without the editorializing of the headline. 🤷 Shouldn’t this be in “Catholic News”?
 
I Agree with Redratfish,

Ever since SB1070 became a topic in the media we have seen drop in crime and drug runners getting busted in other states because they jumped ship from AZ. Therefore… it sounds like AZ is going to get safer because all the criminals will know better then to come here.

Did you know that in Bisbee,AZ a woman has to travel 70 miles for prenatal care? Why you make ask??? because the hospital in Bisbee is so over run with illegals who have gotten hurt crossing the boarder. They get treated and take off as if they were never there… the only trace of them is their medical bill…the bill i get to pay for as a tax payer. Tax payer money that could go to support our Vets or paying our bill to China so they dont own us anymore.

Did you know that we are kidnapping capital of the US b/c of human smugglers?

AND why is everyone complaining about what a horrible place America is? Dont like the US or what our Gov. does.? Move somewhere else. Stop insulting my country. I dont agree with our current administration on countless things…but this is still my home and even with this law…we are the most charitable country in the world. We wont be able to afford being charitable if we keep spending money on people who break our laws and basically reward them for it by granting amnesty.

Now before you get into “not all illegals are criminals”…your right, they are not…so the pressure should be put on Mexico for them to take care of their people or we should send them a bill. Mexico does not want this to stop b/c all the money being sent back over the boarder to them is Mexico’s #2 highest source of revenue. Why would they want to ruin that cash cow?

We need reform…no two ways about it. BUT we need to protect ourselves too.

i love our bishops, they are good men and a blessing… but i dont understand why they think we need to not defend ourselves??? We are returning them to their country. how is that wrong?
 
Good?

I live in Arizona, am not Hispanic, and am glad that bits of the law are being blocked. It is an awful law with good intentions. It seeks to protect our borders and our country but, it does not uphold the dignity of the human person and that is where it’s major fault lies. Not to mention that it puts our police officers in extra unnecessary danger in forcing them to deal with situations that normally do not fall under their duties. SB1070 has also caused a lot of innocent business owners to get hurt in the process due to the boycotting of Arizona by just about everywhere now. My father works as a deportation officer and must deal with flying illegal immigrants back to Mexico… and some of the sad things that he tells me… Our laws must be upheld when it comes to immigration but, the dignity of the human person must not be forgotten. They may be Mexican and we may be American but, we are both equally children of God.👍
I didn’t think the law was ever in affect, so you are guessing about the extra danger?
 
Good?

I live in Arizona, am not Hispanic, and am glad that bits of the law are being blocked. It is an awful law with good intentions. It seeks to protect our borders and our country but, it does not uphold the dignity of the human person and that is where it’s major fault lies. Not to mention that it puts our police officers in extra unnecessary danger in forcing them to deal with situations that normally do not fall under their duties. SB1070 has also caused a lot of innocent business owners to get hurt in the process due to the boycotting of Arizona by just about everywhere now. My father works as a deportation officer and must deal with flying illegal immigrants back to Mexico… and some of the sad things that he tells me… Our laws must be upheld when it comes to immigration but, the dignity of the human person must not be forgotten. They may be Mexican and we may be American but, we are both equally children of God.👍
I am curious, seriously, how does the law touch the dignity of any person? Please be specific because those are heavy accusations.
 
I am curious, seriously, how does the law touch the dignity of any person? Please be specific because those are heavy accusations.
I’m a bit puzzled by this myself. How dignified is it to pay some criminal to take you across some deadly desert, perhaps robbing you or raping you or leaving you to die of thirst, sneaking into a country because you know full well it is against that country’s laws for you to do it, dumping trash all over that country on your way in, maybe carrying a bit of heroin in your backpack because the criminal told you you had to do it or he would kill you, then going to someplace deeper into the country, buying phony identification that says you are someone other than who you are, then taking a job someone who is a citizen of that country might want to have? That’s dignified?

And flying him back, then, is an intolerable violation of his human dignity?
 
I’m a bit puzzled by this myself. How dignified is it to pay some criminal to take you across some deadly desert, perhaps robbing you or raping you or leaving you to die of thirst, sneaking into a country because you know full well it is against that country’s laws for you to do it, dumping trash all over that country on your way in, maybe carrying a bit of heroin in your backpack because the criminal told you you had to do it or he would kill you, then going to someplace deeper into the country, buying phony identification that says you are someone other than who you are, then taking a job someone who is a citizen of that country might want to have? That’s dignified?

And flying him back, then, is an intolerable violation of his human dignity?
Even placing all of that aside (all very good points), what could be seen as an assault on human dinity in the law? Seriously…
 
i’m not surprised that the bishops are against this bill. but if this were a bill that prevented same sex unions, would these same bishops still applaud? probably not. i do not have enough information to make a decision on this issue. certainly the church is concerned about the migrants especially from catholic countries. but i can’t help but think they are being a little naive in thinking that these people are innocent and are victims.
 
i’m not surprised that the bishops are against this bill. but if this were a bill that prevented same sex unions, would these same bishops still applaud? probably not.
I think that’s a bit of an unfair assumption.
 
If they are illegal immgrants then they are criminals b/c they have broken the law.
So were the Christian martyrs for illegally failing to worship Caesar.

So were Jews in Nazi Germany for being Jewish, or anyone who illegally harbored illegal Jews.

So is anyone who jaywalks, which is a misdemeanor, as is crossing a border without permission.
 
I am curious, seriously, how does the law touch the dignity of any person? Please be specific because those are heavy accusations.
Oregon bishop cautions against separating human dignity from immigrants



Bend, Ore., May 14, 2010 / 06:04 am (CNA).- In recent column, Bishop Robert Vasa of Baker, Oregon spoke on the controversial topic of immigration, saying that although a nation has the “duty” to protect its borders, “remaining in a country illegally” does not eliminate a person’s human dignity, nor his or her right to be treated “as a brother or sister.”

On Thursday, Bishop Vasa framed his Catholic Sentinel article with a clarification on humans rights and the law in regard to immigration policies. “Just because something is ‘legal,’” he explained, “does not mean that it is morally correct.”

“There are any number of examples from our own history and the histories of other nations where something ‘legal’ was grossly immoral and needed to be resisted,” the bishop noted. “I am not suggesting that the American ‘immigration policy’ is immoral but there seem to be some elements of injustice that permeate it and it is this injustice, whether legally sanctioned or not, the Church opposes.”

Though the prelate stressed that a country has the “right and duty to properly police its borders,” once illegal immigrants have crossed them, the Church is charged with the task of providing the same care for them.

If undocumented workers are “here and in distress then the church will provide comfort, solace and perhaps even sanctuary because that is what the church does,” he asserted.

“There may be some of this that is technically ‘illegal,’” Bishop Vasa added, “but splitting up a family or sending a family-wage earner back to Mexico where he can no longer provide for his family is not in accord with what we are to do as members of a church.”

“It is not consistent with the dignity of human persons.”

Although there “is a form of injustice done to the American people when our borders are not respected,” he clarified, “there is also a possibility that a grave injustice could be done to an undocumented worker if too harsh a solution is enacted.”

Bishop Vasa underlined that although it is easy to identify all undocumented workers as “criminals,” this fails to distinguish between those who are here “peacefully and productively” versus those who are here for “criminal pursuits.”

“It is certainly not right for anyone to violate or seek to circumvent the immigration laws of this nation but unless we know all of the reasons and factors that led a person to the decision to come to this country or to remain illegally, I suggest that it is very dangerous for us to judge that person as a ‘criminal’.”

The Oregon prelate then observed that “thinking about real, identifiable people, concrete human persons and human families, makes it much easier to see that those who cross our borders or remain here illegally are not necessarily evil or wicked men or women but simply people with human aspirations and longings and dignity.”

“Crossing a border illegally does not eliminate that person’s right to be treated as a brother or sister,” he concluded. “Remaining in this country illegally does not eliminate that person’s human dignity.”

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Oregon bishop cautions against separating human dignity from immigrants
“There may be some of this that is technically ‘illegal,’” Bishop Vasa added, “but splitting up a family or sending a family-wage earner back to Mexico where he can no longer provide for his family is not in accord with what we are to do as members of a church.”
I really feel this is such a disingenuous argument. There is no need to split up a family - they may all leave together. The parents made the choice to enter illegally and put their own childen at risk. Where does personal responsibility and the consequences of one’s own actions lie in this? And what about the American worker who no longer has a job and is unable to feed his family because a dishonest employer would rather pay an illegal alien lower wages to increase his profits?
Although there “is a form of injustice done to the American people when our borders are not respected,” he clarified, “there is also a possibility that a grave injustice could be done to an undocumented worker if too harsh a solution is enacted.”
Wow! I’m sorry, but I feel our bishops have forgotten the fundamental principle of the common good. Why are they not seeing the negative and unjust impact on us and the blatant harm being done by millions flooding the country in terms of the crime, economic impact, unfair burden of massive costs to society (on many levels) and altered American lives?

As Christians we are to provide essential food, clothing and shelter to those who have none. Caring for tens of millions of illegal aliens who have come here on their own volition is simply not realistic or sustainable, especially during this time of economic crisis. And I would like to ask the good bishop another question. Do we, in this country, not have an obligation and special duty to America’s own underprivileged citizens? What about their loss of dignity as they continue to be unemployed because they are being replaced with illegal workers?
 
So were the Christian martyrs for illegally failing to worship Caesar.

So were Jews in Nazi Germany for being Jewish, or anyone who illegally harbored illegal Jews.

So is anyone who jaywalks, which is a misdemeanor, as is crossing a border without permission.
Who are the martyrs here? I submit it is the American citizen who is being forced to pay for these illegals. However if this festers long enough there may indeed be some Mexican martyrs.

Don’t even think of going with this Nazi garbage, it’s asinine and downright insulting to Americans simply demanding Congress enforce the laws Congress wrote.

These illegals, you do understand what illegal means don’t you, are not jaywalking, they are invading a sovereign country, they are draining the resources of that invaded country, that they are doing so with the support of our bishops is outrageous! In most countries, Mexico included, this type of invasion is met with very harsh action including incarceration and even being shot during the attempted invasion. If the bishops have nothing better to do have them give me a call, I’ll suggest several problems they should address within the Church.
 
On second thought, I am so outraged by Stylites’ Nazi insinuation that I’d like the moderators to consider it for reprimand.
 
People will continue to enter the USA illegally whether or not this law ever becomes enacted. The border fence is a band-aid. The solution is to eliminate government assistance (yes, I am a libertarian). This will ensure that those who enter the country will be self-supporting as opposed to being a drain on taxpayers. Secondly, there should be additional penalties for illegal immigrants who commit crimes. Then those who enter the USA for bad intentions will have second thoughts.
 
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