US Catholics back bishops on religious freedom, but still favor Obama, poll shows [CWN]

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scipio337 said:
What would you say the % of Americans who believe that their birth control should be free?

In case you missed it, an “expert” demanding such recently had a speaking slot at one of the party’s conventions.
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I think they should not expect government or the leader or anyone else to pay for such,even if they do not believe it is wrong.
Again,People have abortions,and use use pills and such for all kinds of reasons,and no matter how much we disagree with such sin we can and should be able to agree that such sins are personally decided upon by the people who commit them.
Blame cannot be placed upon any one else.
We can, and most of us here would, point out to them how wrong and deadly to their souls it would be, and the alienation they will suffer from God who creates all his children.
We who condemn, must remember that only God judges the deep heart of all of us.
We pray for the redemption of all sinner.
Peace, Carlan
 
Carlan said:
I think they should not expect government or the leader or anyone else to pay for such,even if they do not believe it is wrong.
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Then why condemn Romney for saying such? There clearly are some in our country who feel entilted that others should support them, or their behavior. Not everone who believes this way is poor. The person in question just graduated from a very prestigious private law school, and paying those expenses herself were well within her means.
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Again,People have abortions,and use use pills and such for all kinds of reasons,and no matter how much we disagree with such sin we can and should be able to agree that such sins are personally decided upon by the people who commit them.
Blame cannot be placed upon any one else.
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Agreed, but the fact that people will continue to abuse children doesn’t mean we should legalize child abuse (regarding abortion, not birth control)
 
Carlan said:
So happy for you that you do not have the need for participating in your so called entitlement slavery. Good for you, no worries to disturb your good conscience.
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I am unemployed. I come from a family where my father died when I was 10 and my mother worked 3 jobs to put a roof over our heads and food n the table. I’ve been working since I was 14 for the same reason. I am not an entitlement slave because I choose not to be. WHile many entitlement slaves looked for a helping hand in a rough situation, the DNC kept a boot on their throats to make sure they stayed their in exchange for their votes.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
I am unemployed. I come from a family where my father died when I was 10 and my mother worked 3 jobs to put a roof over our heads and food n the table. I’ve been working since I was 14 for the same reason. I am not an entitlement slave because I choose not to be. WHile many entitlement slaves looked for a helping hand in a rough situation, the DNC kept a boot on their throats to make sure they stayed their in exchange for their votes.
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I am sorry for your families circumstance and I am sure, you and your Mother are most thankful to God you were able work and find a solution for what was needed at the time,
However Scott , it is sad to me that you can not relate compassionately to those who are unable to do as your family did . I am not posting about lazy people bludging off others, Please read again my former posts. Peace, Carlan
 
Carlan said:
I am sorry for your families circumstance and I am sure, you and your Mother are most thankful to God you were able work and find a solution for what was needed at the time,
However Scott , it is sad to me that you can not relate compassionately to those who are unable to do as your family did . I am not posting about lazy people bludging off others, Please read again my former posts. Peace, Carlan
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There is an appropriate place for the social safety net. It should be temporary and means tested. It should require work or skills training. I know for a fact that people game the system to live off the largess of other people, and that number of people is not small or insignificant. I’ve had people, once they found out I lost my job, that I should divorce my wife so I can collect more benefits! I can get unemployment, food stamps, I should applied for veteran’s disability, housing assistance, community free clinics. It is amazing all of the “freebies” out there and the number of people who know how to weave around the rules to get all of it.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
There is an appropriate place for the social safety net. It should be temporary and means tested. It should require work or skills training. I know for a fact that people game the system to live off the largess of other people, and that number of people is not small or insignificant. I’ve had people, once they found out I lost my job, that I should divorce my wife so I can collect more benefits! I can get unemployment, food stamps, I should applied for veteran’s disability, housing assistance, community free clinics. It is amazing all of the “freebies” out there and the number of people who know how to weave around the rules to get all of it.
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I don’t understand, If you are unemployed why will you not apply for those supports you pay for until you find a job. Surely veterans who are disabled are eligble for medical care from the VA even if you don’t think you deserve some kind of disability pay.
May I ask why would divorcing your wife , have to do with benefits you have earned in service of your country and in paying for unemployment benefits through payrole tax
Peace, Carlan
 
Carlan said:
I don’t understand, If you are unemployed why will you not apply for those supports you pay for until you find a job. Surely veterans who are disabled are eligble for medical care from the VA even if you don’t think you deserve some kind of disability pay.
May I ask why would divorcing your wife , have to do with benefits you have earned in service of your country and in paying for unemployment benefits through payrole tax
Peace, Carlan
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So that she can continue to work and I don’t have to claim her income as “family income”. Regarding veteran’s benefits, yes, I earned those so I have no problems using them.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
So that she can continue to work and I don’t have to claim her income as “family income”. Regarding veteran’s benefits, yes, I earned those so I have no problems using them.
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Yes, someone in my family does this and it is pretty shameful.

What’s weird is that the guy is a Conservative and always votes republican as he cheats the system. He believes his situation is “different”.

I haven’t called him on it.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
So that she can continue to work and I don’t have to claim her income as “family income”. Regarding veteran’s benefits, yes, I earned those so I have no problems using them.
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Thank you for making that clear. I understand, a shocking thing to suggest.
Still do not understand why you would not be eligable for unemplyment benefits through your payment of pay role taxes. do you consider applying for unemplyment benifits to be a mooching on the Government?
 
ringil said:
Yes, someone in my family does this and it is pretty shameful.

What’s weird is that the guy is a Conservative and always votes republican as he cheats the system. He believes his situation is “different”.

I haven’t called him on it.
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I would. I hate hypocrisy. So did Jesus.
 
Carlan said:
Thank you for making that clear. I understand, a shocking thing to suggest.
Still do not understand why you would not be eligable for unemplyment benefits through your payment of pay role taxes. do you consider applying for unemplyment benifits to be a mooching on the Government?
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I may have to take unemployment to make the mortgage payments. I was just raised not to go to the government unless you are desperate. I am not quite there yet.
 
Rather than truckle to such coercion, Catholic bishops across the country have made clear that they will, if necessary, close the Catholic medical facilities for which they are responsible – a drastic action that would seriously imperil health services to the poor. But it doesn’t have to come to that. Aggressive, hegemonic secularism need not have the last word in the United States

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I will not vote for the culture of death… ie- murder ( abortion ) and homo marriage. Helping the poor should be voluntary… NOT mandatory. Christians should be voting for Romney… at least in this election.
Yahoo_Thom said:
My my, how touchy my FELLOW CATHOLICS have become. I quoted the HOLY SCRIPTURES and for Catholics that is the Church. His Holiness the Pope is bound by the Bible and words of our Lord. I am not saying the the Pro-Life Movement is not important or that I am not pro-life. What I am saying is that I am not SECULAR, I will honor the Nicene Creed, “I believe in one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church”. Whether you like it or not, Barack Obama is a Protestant, he is not perfect, but is a Apostolic Christian. Mitt Romney is not Apostolic, Catholic or Christian, ask you Priest. And I will not be selling my soul so easily…I will follow my conscience and my God…I love being a Catholic, not just being Pro-life. For those of you that reminded me that “SOME” at the DNC wanted to remove God and Jerusalem from the Platform…the APOSTOLIC CHRISTIAN Barack Obama put it back in himself…
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Tampa_Dave said:
I practice law in Washington, DC. Many of my dear attorney friends are black Catholics. They all support Obama 100%.
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To support Obama is to support a culture of death. One cannot be catholic and vote for such a Biblical fool.

Pax
 
Yahoo_Thom said:
My my, how touchy my FELLOW CATHOLICS have become. I quoted the HOLY SCRIPTURES and for Catholics that is the Church. His Holiness the Pope is bound by the Bible and words of our Lord. I am not saying the the Pro-Life Movement is not important or that I am not pro-life. What I am saying is that I am not SECULAR, I will honor the Nicene Creed, “I believe in one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church”. Whether you like it or not, Barack Obama is a Protestant, he is not perfect, but is a Apostolic Christian. Mitt Romney is not Apostolic, Catholic or Christian, ask you Priest. And I will not be selling my soul so easily…I will follow my conscience and my God…I love being a Catholic, not just being Pro-life. For those of you that reminded me that “SOME” at the DNC wanted to remove God and Jerusalem from the Platform…the APOSTOLIC CHRISTIAN Barack Obama put it back in himself…
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There’s no way you can vote for Obama and remain a faithful catholic. You are setting yourself up for failure. You are anathema. If Obama is a Christian, why does he allow millions of abortions to happen? Why has he allowed these things to happen? From conception to natural death is what TRUE CATHOLICS believe is life. Not “9 months or at 70 when you’re useless”, which is coming next… euthanasia.

Pax
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
I am unemployed. I come from a family where my father died when I was 10 and my mother worked 3 jobs to put a roof over our heads and food n the table. I’ve been working since I was 14 for the same reason. I am not an entitlement slave because I choose not to be. WHile many entitlement slaves looked for a helping hand in a rough situation, the DNC kept a boot on their throats to make sure they stayed their in exchange for their votes.
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This is very moving. Thank you for this and I wish you the best.
 
Dominique1234 said:
To support Obama is to support a culture of death. One cannot be catholic and vote for such a Biblical fool.

Pax
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And very bad for us as well is the assault on religious liberty, to compel us to fund something that is against our consciences.
 
Dominique1234 said:
To support Obama is to support a culture of death.
One cannot be catholic and vote for such a Biblical fool.
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Dominique,In this country our Church does not tell us we cannot vote for a candidate, they do tell us though to vote our conscience and I as a Catholic in good standing will ponder well all the issues, we are not told to discount our candidates if we cannot agree with all of their positions on moral and social issues. Please, read the following Quote from a CA poster.

QUOTE: by Elizum

“Evil” has a very real concrete meaning in moral theology and it is never applied to humans or souls. We cannot judge humans and say “this one is good, and this one is evil” except to say that Jesus was all-good and Mary was sinless. Therefore, when choosing one political candidate over another, we are choosing a human being with his intrinsic self-worth and at the same time, all his faults and shortcomings, and we recognize as the Church does, that nobody is perfect and we all suffer from concupiscence and sin just as our parents, Adam and Eve fell from grace.
peace , Carlan
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