US Catholics back bishops on religious freedom, but still favor Obama, poll shows [CWN]

[Yahoo_Thom]

Anthrogirl…Thank you for your comment…I was beginning to think I was not a Catholic…was wondering what Church I had been attending all these 50 years. I was lost but now I am found…thank you from the bottom of my heart…

 

[austenbosten]

By the way, Obama is not advocating abortions. He actually, by executive order, extended the Hyde agreement over the new healthcare law. He’s not the pro-abortion president he’s made out to be by the right wing media establishment.

Obama in ‘his own words’ on Abortion

Obama’s IL Senator record on Abortion

News article relating to the USCCB views on Executive Order 13535

Oh darn, darn darn…don’t you hate it when those pesky annoying things like facts clash with that statement? :dancing:

 

[Dawnia]

I’m catholic. Went to catholic school. Participate in my church. Bringing my kids up catholic. Voting for Obama. It’s simple. Catholics beliefs align more with dems than with republicans.

You might want to research that a bit more. Individual candidates are not the party (regardless of the party). Look at who the candidate surrounds himself with and his actions. Because God knows you can’t believe a word that comes from any politicians mouth. (Disclaimer: I am independant and have voted for both Dems, Repubs & 3rd parties)

Benedict called for universal healthcare; catholics are opposed to war, especially preemptive war like in Iraq; catholics believe in global warming and in environmental stewardship; catholics are against the death penalty; our bishops have called for a higher minimum wage and support of unions; our bishops called for the continued support of the welfare system; catholics think illegal immigrants should be recognized for their contribution and not treated as criminals, and on and on. Aside from abortion and the fact that the govt wanted all healthcare plans to cover birth control…dems are more aligned with Christ and the Catholic Church than republicans. This is also seen in the survey the Church conducts every five years.

Not sure where you’re getting your ideas of what Catholic belief is on these issues, but they are off. You might want to recheck those.

I realize that most Catholics can’t follow all the catholic rules and regulations. I haven’t met one yet (and that includes on this board and that includes myself) who doesn’t pick and choose what to follow and what to ignore. Most republicans I know ignore a lot of what they are called to do as Catholics. They’ll march for the unborn but will not even consider protesting in front of a prison that’s about to execute someone or a company that’s polluting our environment. I know as a Catholic dem, I do all three.

Sounds like you need new people to hang out with.

Personally my big thing (the thing Jesus really tried to drive home over and over) is protecting the poor and less fortunate. The republicans want to balance the budget at the expense of the poor by cutting services that so many of them need to survive. I just worked on a case where a women stole money from her company so she could pay for her son’s meds. Everyone agreed, the SA, DSS and CASA that she was desperate. But she broke the law and now she’s going to lose her kids. There are many people, hard working americans with jobs, who need more help, not less.

The Republicans want to cut INCREASES in programs, not the programs themselves.

It sounds like there is way more to your story about the mother who stole from her company. I have dealt with similar situations and the mother’s didn’t loose their children over it.

By the way, Obama is not advocating abortions. He actually, by executive order, extended the Hyde agreement over the new healthcare law. He’s not the pro-abortion president he’s made out to be by the right wing media establishment.

Look at who Obama surrounds himself with and his actions and then try to tell me that he’s not pushing abortion. An executive order is about worth as much as the paper it’s written on.

 

[austenbosten]

By the way, let us not forget that the at the DNC three-times

 

[oldcelt]

By the way, let us not forget that the Democrats rejected God three-times at the DNC

Some rejected the word God…others did not

John

 

[austenbosten]

Some rejected the word God…others did not

John

Some? Let’s try half the people did. That was a pretty loud and vocal NAY and boo after the vote had been called by Mayor Villaraigosa.

 

[jwinch2]

Some? Let’s try half the people did. That was a pretty loud and vocal NAY and boo after the vote had been called by Mayor Villaraigosa.

Not to mention that there were enough votes to remove God from the platform to begin with. That part seems to get overlooked. Obama had mention of God put back in the platform for political purposes.

 

[oldcelt]

Some? Let’s try half the people did. That was a pretty loud and vocal NAY and boo after the vote had been called by Mayor Villaraigosa.

Half of an arena that was barely 1/4 full, if that. Your initial statement is a great exaggeration.

John

 

[Tampa_Dave]

Obama is a disaster when it comes to Catholicism in America. He supports gay marriage and abortion. Moreover, he is forcing Catholic charities, hospitals, and universities to insure abortifacients and contraception. While the Church believes we should assist the poor, I’m fairly certain that Church dogma does not require us to support freeloaders. People who are poor because they are physically or mentally incapable, or who suffer unforeseen calamity, deserve assistance. Otherwise, the Church expects everyone to carry their own weight. To the best of my knowledge, the Catholic Church has never supported socialism or the social welfare state.

 

[oldcelt]

Not to mention that there were enough votes to remove God from the platform to begin with. That part seems to get overlooked. Obama had mention of God put back in the platform for political purposes.

That change was done by a platform committee, not the convention attendees. Please get your facts straight.
Plus…no one seems to be paying any attention except for a select few here who try to draw some spurious biblical comparison.
John

 

[SuperLuigi]

Half of an arena that was barely 1/4 full, if that. Your initial statement is a great exaggeration.

John

I’m not familiar with DNC procedure, but are you suggesting that the votes of people who are no-shows should still count?

 

[oldcelt]

I’m not familiar with DNC procedure, but are you suggesting that the votes of people who are no-shows should still count?

Not at all…those in attendance voted on the motion to reinsert the language in question. Apparently, a quorum is not required in that instance, 'cause they sure didn’t have one.

John

 

[austenbosten]

Half of an arena that was barely 1/4 full, if that. Your initial statement is a great exaggeration.

John

Does it really matter if an arena is “half-full” that half-full arena still represents the DNC and half of that half arena was adamant and vocal about keeping God off of the platform. It shouldn’t even been an issue to begin with, remember it was the Democrats that made it an issue not me, that should bring question marks from the get-go.

 

[Corki]

I’m not familiar with DNC procedure, but are you suggesting that the votes of people who are no-shows should still count?

And that they count as “yay” votes?

 

[oldcelt]

Does it really matter if an arena is “half-full” that half-full arena still represents the DNC and half of that half arena was adamant and vocal about keeping God off of the platform. It shouldn’t even been an issue to begin with, remember it was the Democrats that made it an issue not me, that should bring question marks from the get-go.

I agree, it was stupid to have a floor fight over it. But that is all forgotten now.

John

 

[austenbosten]

I agree, it was stupid to have a floor fight over it. *But that is all forgotten now.
*
John

Uhhh…sorry I don’t forget that easily. It was bad enough it was brought on as an issue, but to have it voted on it 3 times???

 

[jwinch2]

That change was done by a platform committee, not the convention attendees. Please get your facts straight.
Plus…no one seems to be paying any attention except for a select few here who try to draw some spurious biblical comparison.
John

Please show me where I mentioned convention attendees.

The platform committee decided to remove God from the platform. I assume that the committee functions democratically. The DNC then accepted and released the platform. Platforms are something which are worked on for months prior to the conventions. What this suggests is that multiple levels of review in the DNC, probably to include persons at the White House had seen the new language and had no problem with it until someone raised a stink when it was made public Realizing that they had a PR problem, they put it back in at the 11th hour.

 

[oldcelt]

Uhhh…sorry I don’t forget that easily. It was bad enough it was brought on as an issue, but to have it voted on it 3 times???

The Democratic Party has moved on…you may bring it up at your pleasure, but it is a non-issue in this election.

John

 

[JimG]

The president’s positions on the most significant moral issues are certainly antithetical to Catholics. He has long been radically pro-abortion, and so is his party platform. Now he favors gay marriage as well, another position directly opposite to Catholic beliefs.

Further, his HHS has repressed the religious liberty of Catholic organizations, as well as businesses generally, by requiring them to provide coverage for things that violate their conscience. The HHS mandate alone could force the shutdown of Catholic charities, schools, hospitals, food kitchens, even groups of sisters and nuns. It will also force the shutdown of some private businesses who cannot in conscience go along with its mandates.

Reason enough to not support his re-election.

I suppose there were Catholics in England who supported Henry VIII over Thomas More. That’s a pity. We could see the same loss of religious freedom here.

If that were not enough, it will do nothing to help the poor when the unsustainable national borrowing forces the nation into bankruptcy.

 

[austenbosten]

The Democratic Party has moved on…you may bring it up at your pleasure, but it is a non-issue in this election.

John

Yeah I should move on if I was a Catholic Democrat

‘Oh it’s just booing and denying God three times, who cares about God, it’s just God…cmon let’s move on we have an election to win’

That’s right who cares about what happened at the DNC, winning is more important than principals…I’m glad I’m not a member of that shameful party.