US Catholics back bishops on religious freedom, but still favor Obama, poll shows [CWN]

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LeafByNiggle said:
Under that reasoning it would be theft to get a mortgage on a house. After all, the money that you use to buy the house is not really yours. I’m not saying excessive debt isn’t morally problematic, but please use a better metaphor to explain the problem. Calling it theft is just wrong.
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Call it whatever you will. Spending money you don’t have is simply wrong. Obama’s proposed budgets have been rejected by his own Democratic Party every year. In fact, we have not had a federal budget passed during Obama’s tenure. Obama has racked up more debt in four years than all previous Presidents combined. Every time the Republican-controlled House passes a budget, the Democrat-controlled Senate won’t even allow a vote on the Republican measure on the Senate floor. Obama is an amateurish ideologue with wholly inadequate experience to fulfill the responsibilities of the Presidency.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Under that reasoning it would be theft to get a mortgage on a house. After all, the money that you use to buy the house is not really yours. I’m not saying excessive debt isn’t morally problematic, but please use a better metaphor to explain the problem. Calling it theft is just wrong.
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I am promising to pay back the debt with money that I earn. Deficit spending is spending money that will have to be paid back by future taxpayers. That is theft. You are spending money on yourself now that will be paid back by someone else.
 
Yahoo_Thom said:
As a “Social Values” Catholic, I heard nothing at the GOP convention that resemble “Christian Values”. The Gospels tell us that we are to strive to be Christ-Like to use Christ as our “EXAMPLE” in life and in our decisions.
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The GOP debates were full of socially conservative messages, but the media and the GOP leadership seemed to discourage these messages. I don’t know why. The flat economy is such an easy argument.
 
The only polling organization I’ve found worth listening to is Rasmussen. I have not met any of these Catholics that suppossedly support Obama. I’m sure they’re out there…but I haven’t met them.
 
How can this poll be accurate when 33% respondents were republican and 48% were democrat? Considering this it it is remarkable Obama only has 49% including Hispanics and Romney 41% with 10% undecided - that tells me the Catholic vote will swing to Romney if the poll has a 15 point oversample of democrats and Obama had a 9 point lead

I think the only poll that speaks for Catholics is a poll of practising Catholics. If you do a poll of all people who call themselves Catholic when only 30% attend Church each week then you are not getting a true representation of the Catholic vote
 
According the the Christian Science Monitor Evangelicals have been losing members since the mid 1990’s when Ministers began mixing Religion with Politics. The Catholic Church is not Evangelical. Our Priest are educated in Seminary, our Holiness The Pope is our leader and follows Church tradition that is tied to Biblical and Gospel Doctrine…I personally do not want my Church to fall into the hands of the Republicans or the Democrats. But to stay beyond the fray, to not be used by Politicians…Politics is dirty business, it is immoral, deceitful and certainly is not intended to be anyone “moral compass”. The Church must be a beacon for good, and messenger of Christ’s word. It must speak for the ENTIRE message not only the Sanctity of Life, but also for the Poor, the sick and the disenfranchised. Because if the Church does not who will…for those of you that think we speak too much for the poor, the Church has not been doing it’s job, as I said before the poor and social justice are reference 300 times it is pretty clear that the Lord wanted this to be a priority…Thanks the Lord for Sister, Simone Campbell.
 
_Abyssinia said:
How can this poll be accurate when 33% respondents were republican and 48% were democrat? Considering this it it is remarkable Obama only has 49% including Hispanics and Romney 41% with 10% undecided - that tells me the Catholic vote will swing to Romney if the poll has a 15 point oversample of democrats and Obama had a 9 point lead

I think the only poll that speaks for Catholics is a poll of practising Catholics. If you do a poll of all people who call themselves Catholic when only 30% attend Church each week then you are not getting a true representation of the Catholic vote
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Where did it say that 33% of the respondents were republican and 48% democrat?

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When you have 47 million Americans dependent on food stamps in a jobless economy you than get their votes as their very existence depends on govt.

Welcome to the plantation
 
Yahoo_Thom said:
…for those of you that think we speak too much for the poor, the Church has not been doing it’s job, as I said before the poor and social justice are reference 300 times it is pretty clear that the Lord wanted this to be a priority…Thanks the Lord for Sister, Simone Campbell.
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The Church has not been doing its job? Shame on you for making such wild accusations. The Church and her organizations such as KoC and Caritas spend untold amounts yearly in devotion to the poor. I am putting you on the ignore list, you clearly have an agenda. Nothing is wrong with having one, but making absurd falsehoods about the Church is an extremely poor way to go about it.
 
Yerusalyim said:
The only polling organization I’ve found worth listening to is Rasmussen. I have not met any of these Catholics that suppossedly support Obama. I’m sure they’re out there…but I haven’t met them.
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I think it depends in what part of the country one lives in. The mid-western Catholics are more conservative than say the costal ones. Of course they also tend to be more devout Catholics.

Many who self-identify as Catholic arent always the ones who are in the pews on Sundays.
 
In this poll, sure. Doesn;t tell us much nationwide. Do more Catholics actually register as dems? That should be easy enough to track.

All I notice is EVERY poll we review has a much higher sampling of democrats. I’ve not seen a SINGLE poll that how more republicans polled (nor would I want to per se).
 
He_Man said:
In this poll, sure. Doesn;t tell us much nationwide. Do more Catholics actually register as dems? That should be easy enough to track.
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I think it depends on what part of the country one is in, to be honest.

In the blue states, yes, in the red states, no.

I know this poll was about non-hispanics, too. Hispanics tend to favor the dems, and as they are the fastest growing population in the nation, that will continue to be so until the GOP finds a way of making the party more appealing to them.

It’s a fair statement to make too, depending on where one is in the country, that just because one self-identifies as Catholic, does not mean they are a practicing Catholic.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Under that reasoning it would be theft to get a mortgage on a house. After all, the money that you use to buy the house is not really yours. I’m not saying excessive debt isn’t morally problematic, but please use a better metaphor to explain the problem. Calling it theft is just wrong.
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If you want to use that anology, it is really more that a third party takes out a mortagage on your house and uses the proceeds to make payments on a debt while at the same time creating more debt. 😉 And yeah, I would consider that theft.
 
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