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JackieMom
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Homeschooled kids in the US have no compulsory testing. In fact, parents do not actually have to teach their children any cirriculum whatsoever to legally “homeschool.”
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maryjk
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Wow. Educated properly? Like good little soldiers?
Because if we don’t teach what the school teaches, our children might not fit in with the village?
My child is just that, MY CHILD. He doesn’t belong to the community. And the last thing I want to do is to trust the state or the village to raise him.
And if I wanted to “unschool” him, that should be my right. Yes, right, not privilege. (Although I didn’t ever “unschool” there are some child that simply shine in that environment.)
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maryjk
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That totally depends on where you live. Home schools are governed by the state, not the federal government.
Some states require annual testing. Some require that a curriculum includes certain classes. Some require little or no testing. It all depends on the state requirements.
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CatholicGeek1
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No, you simply should not have a right to not educate your child in math, science, language, etc. This is a disservice to the child and only serves to make you feel better for sticking it to the man.
Wow. Educated properly? Like good little soldiers?
Because if we don’t teach what the school teaches, our children might not fit in with the village?
My child is just that, MY CHILD. He doesn’t belong to the community. And the last thing I want to do is to trust the state or the village to raise him.
And if I wanted to “unschool” him, that should be my right. Yes, right, not privilege. (Although I didn’t ever “unschool” there are some child that simply shine in that environment.)
The only thing here that should be considered a basic human right is the right for all children to have an education that teaches them math, science, language, and the other skills that they will need to function in society, make a decent living, and support themselves and their families.
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JackieMom
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He’s your child for a short time. People get fixated on that and forget that at 18, they do go out into the world and it’s sink or swim against the rest of society that was traditionally educated. No one is talking about giving kids to the state to be “raised.” I think the concern is that when certain parents take their right to do whatever experimental thing with their kids that they want, they end up producing adults that function poorly.
Wow. Educated properly? Like good little soldiers?
Because if we don’t teach what the school teaches, our children might not fit in with the village?
My child is just that, MY CHILD. He doesn’t belong to the community. And the last thing I want to do is to trust the state or the village to raise him.
And if I wanted to “unschool” him, that should be my right. Yes, right, not privilege. (Although I didn’t ever “unschool” there are some child that simply shine in that environment.)
I live in California where there is zero homeschooling oversight - no teating, no proof of a curriculum, nada. And I have seen both very positive and HORRIBLE outcomes from parents who fancy themselves educational experts and seriously harm their kids.
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maryjk
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Actually he is my child forever.
And no, I don’t plan on kicking him out when he turns 18. Maybe that is a public school thing.
And when I look at public school outcomes, I see the same thing. I see positive and horrible outcomes. And this is from teachers that fancy themselves educational experts. The kids are just as seriously harmed.
Home education is a choice. It works for some, and doesn’t work for others. But the same can be said about public school. Well, except the fact, that overall those that are home educated do better when tested.
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Fairwinds
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the USA isn’t in the business of telling the Germans how to run their school system and the USSC won’t want to pass judgment on a German domestic issue like education except to state the obvious: Christianity is not banned, and home schooling is denied to everyone, including the targets of the ban: right wing neo-nazi associations.
the attempt at asylum was clever, but doomed.
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revert_jen
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The problem is that if you give the state the right to decide what must be taught, you really then lose all power to say “yes, math and science,” “no, sex ed and indoctrination.” One generation of children is taught in public school (possibly without parents’ knowledge) that homosexuality is just the same as heterosexuality, and then by the time they grow up, a majority decides that this should be mandatory instruction for all children. There really is no protection against this sort of thing, unless you admit the right of parents to make their own educational decisions.
There are people who honestly believe that bringing up a child as a Catholic (or any other religion) actually is child abuse. What happens if these people come into power at some point?
Anyway, I don’t admit that a person has to be on a mainstream career track either to contribute to society or to be happy. I think I may define “success” differently than you do.
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Lormar
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JackieMom
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It’s not a “public school thing” that kids get kicked out at 18. Most healthy young adults are motivated to go to college or secure full-time employment and move out around that age. Since it coincides with when the parent no longer has control or legal authority over their child, that tends to be the end of the child’s compulsory education, and the parent’s obligation, and the young adult transitions into the “real world.” Our job as parents is to prepare our kids to be independent, healthy, moral, self-sufficient adults, not to do experiments and hope they work out. Yes, we do give our kids back to the world when they become adults. Hopefully as a net gain for society!Actually he is my child forever.
And no, I don’t plan on kicking him out when he turns 18. Maybe that is a public school thing.
And when I look at public school outcomes, I see the same thing. I see positive and horrible outcomes. And this is from teachers that fancy themselves educational experts. The kids are just as seriously harmed.
Home education is a choice. It works for some, and doesn’t work for others. But the same can be said about public school. Well, except the fact, that overall those that are home educated do better when tested.
Schools do have bad and lazy teachers, but the good thing is that that changes every 9 months. When a parent assumes the role of sole educator, we’d better hope he/she does a good job because the kid doesn’t get a fresh start every September. Homeschooling can be great when done well. Absolutely. But do parents have the “right” to let their kids play video games and horse around all day instead of teaching them from a proper curriculum? Do they have the right to “educate” their kids in a way that ia not conducive to eventual independent living? Do they have the right to hide their kids away from the world and expect everyone to just leave them alone? I just don’t think that they do.
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maryjk
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Actually, most kids are still in high school when they turn 18. My son happens to be 17 and he is through with classes. But every other senior I know is 18, and they don’t graduate until next week or next month.
As I tell my son, my job is to work myself out of a job. But that doesn’t mean that I kick him out at 18. Or that, he is no longer welcome in my home once he leaves.
And I certainly don’t give him back to anyone. I also tell him that he needs to follow HIS dreams, not be a “net gain” for society.
The problem comes, when the government gets to decide what constitutes a “proper curriculum.”
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Fairwinds
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I think the German government has a legitimate reason to prevent home schoolers from teaching neo-nazi curriculum by barring all home schooling. I don’t see this as a problem at all.
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CatholicGeek1
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To the first highlighted point, if children are being taught something in schools and the parents don’t know what they are being taught, shame on the parents. It is their job and responsibility to know what there children are being taught.
To the second highlighted point, I am not sure what you mean by mainstream career track. Unless you planning on living alone as a hermit or something, there are some basic skills that you are going to need to be a contributing member of society. If you cannot do at least middle school level math, if you cannot properly use a computer, if you cannot read and write at a secondary school level, you are not going to be able to contribute very much to society a couple of decades from now.
Lastly, if you do not think critically, which is a skill that is lacking in so many people, you are not going to be able to defend yourself and your faith from attacks by people that are highly trained at manipulation.
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Mickey
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Amen.
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JackieMom
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You are the one who brought up people kicking their kids out, not me. I don’t know where you are coming up with that. Most young adults want to leave the nest around 18/19. That doesn’t mean anyone is kicking anyone out. It’s just growing up and taking responsibility.
I certainly do hope my kids are a net gain for society. I want them to contribute, not take. I want them to be good examples, not poor ones. I want them to help, not harm. I know they are “mine” for a very short time, and they will hopefully be here long after I am gone. My job is to prepare them for that future. Each parent has to decide how best to prepare his/her children for adulthood, but it seems as though some parents are so obsessed with controlling childhood that they fail to see the long-term harm in not thinking about the reality of the future, where their kids will compete for a place in the world with all the other special snowflakes. Many homeschoolers get it right, some don’t. Which is why I firmly believe that homeschooling at any cost should not be a human right.
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Fairwinds
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you believe that German homeschoolers should be allowed to teach neo-nazi lessons to their kids?
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Mickey
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Huh? :whacky:
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Fairwinds
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whacky? what’s that’s supposed to mean?
this is a thread about homeschooling in Germany. Germany prohibits homeschooling in part to prevent neo-nazis from inculcating those values in kids.
you agreed with someone’s statement that homeschooling should be an enshrined right.
I see a problem. you don’t?
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revert_jen
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If you think public schools teach critical thinking, you must have been extremely fortunate in your teachers. By and large, it does not appear to be any part of a standard curriculum. (As you say, it is lacking in so many people.) Certainly it was something I had to teach myself, with some help from my parents. (I was never homeschooled, and almost all of my education was in public schools (with a little time in Catholic school).)
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Mickey
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Indeed. I home school my child. If the U.S can shut down this family…they can eventually go after mine. We have an administration who lied about Libya…stole confidential emails from AP…and harassed republican organizations using the IRS.
They are capable of anything.
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