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You know the scarey thing is that there are a lot of loonies out there like Sallybutler, who would like to mandate this trash. That’s why everyone gets so hopped up about it i guess. It’s deadly serious.
 
I found this link from a mother who is dependent on the kindness and consideration of others in this matter.

yahoo.com/parenting/please-vaccinate-your-kid-to-keep-mine-safe-110819555042.html
Infants (and certain immune-compromised populations) can’t receive vaccines themselves, so they rely on what’s known as “herd immunity,” or “community protection,” which occurs when almost everyone else has been vaccinated, so the disease in question can’t get a foot in the door. “It’s like we’re able to give a ‘free ride’ ticket to anyone who can’t be vaccinated,” explains Julia Sammons, MD, Hospital Epidemiologist and Medical Director of the Department of Infection Prevention and Control at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP). “But we can only give out a limited number of free rides before herd immunity is weakened. If more and more people get free-ride tickets, then fewer people are protected and the disease will begin to spread in the community.”
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So why do nearly one in 10 Americans still believe that vaccines are unsafe? And why are these people taking the “free ride” tickets away from children like my daughter, who really need it?
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sherimarie said:
You know the scarey thing is that there are a lot of loonies out there like Sallybutler, who would like to mandate this trash. That’s why everyone gets so hopped up about it i guess. It’s deadly serious.
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If you think Sallybutler was “loony”, you missed her point. She was not even hinting at mandating anything. She was offering an alternative to mandatory vaccination. If the alternative sounds loony, perhaps it is because the stance that led to the necessity of a non-vaccination alternative is loony to begin with.
 
Oh the power of guilt! I would feel bad if someone died of measles, it’s terrible,( especially considering they could sell a vaccine that wasn’t built from a dead baby.) It is sad. BUt I don’t believe we are required to put our own children at risk of a very serious condition in order to protect another child from the measles.

Also, I know the church says we can eat our own if nothing else is available, ( I always think of that book “ALIVE”) but I don’t believe we are at epidemic levels yet. Maybe if it was all we had and it was a very deadly thing and it was spreading rapidly… That simply isn’t true here and now. If it was maybe Merck would release the old single measles vacs.
 
yeh, your right Leaf, it’s crazy to not want your kids to have autism. :rolleyes:
 
sherimarie said:
yeh, your right Leaf, it’s crazy to not want your kids to have autism. :rolleyes:
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No one but you has called another crazy or loony. I have no horse in this fight personally. My school does not allow the unvaccinated unless a doctor signs off that vaccinations are contraindicated.
 
I must be nuts!!! I don’t want to use aborted babies in my medicine!!!:rolleyes:
 
You have to admit it was a pretty dumb idea. Maybe she would like to take it back, that’s ok by me. I do believe most people aren’t thinking their way around this one.
It’s more like, “You want kids to DIE from measles! I’ll fix you, I’ll give your kid measles” “:mad:Arrrr!”

No wonder this topic was banned! 😦
 
sherimarie said:
You know the scarey thing is that there are a lot of loonies out there like Sallybutler, who would like to mandate this trash. That’s why everyone gets so hopped up about it i guess. It’s deadly serious.
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Apparently you missed the part where I said volunteer to have your child exposed.

And it is not really a loony idea. Many of us born before the 60’s had parents who would make us hug & kiss our siblings if they were sick. I remember my mom being a little miffed because my brothers and I didn’t get chicken pox all at the same time (6 weeks of cranky sick children. fun). Mumps and measles are less severe if you got them when you are young instead of as adults.

I have had chicken pox (have the scars still), measles & rubella. My mother still had me get the rubella shot (I was 14 when I got that one) and every other vaccine.

Knock on wood, I had no serious side effects from any of them.
 
This thread includes the most incorrigible troll I’ve ever come across.

Most well done, too. :clapping:
 
sherimarie said:
Oh the power of guilt! I would feel bad if someone died of measles, it’s terrible,( especially considering they could sell a vaccine that wasn’t built from a dead baby.) It is sad. BUt I don’t believe we are required to put our own children at risk of a very serious condition in order to protect another child from the measles.

Also, I know the church says we can eat our own if nothing else is available, ( I always think of that book “ALIVE”) but I don’t believe we are at epidemic levels yet. Maybe if it was all we had and it was a very deadly thing and it was spreading rapidly… That simply isn’t true here and now. If it was maybe Merck would release the old single measles vacs.
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Measles is horribly contagious, if so many people in the US weren’t already vaccinated against it, it would be an epidemic and spreading worse than the outbreak already has. I love the quote from pnewton, explaining it in terms of “free rides”. Everyone in society that has immunity is helping prevent others from getting sick. If everyone stopped vaccinating until there was an epidemic, it would likely be too late for many people to avoid getting sick and all of the nasty side effects.

I was just reading an article about cell strains used to create vaccines, and trying to better wrap my head around how it all works (article - historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/human-cell-strains-vaccine-development) and I thought this section was relevant to the discussion here.
Groups that object to abortion have raised ethical questions about Plotkin’s rubella vaccine (and other vaccines developed with similar human cell strains) over the years.
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Because of its position on abortion, members of the Catholic Church have asked for its moral guidance on the use of vaccines developed using cell lines started with fetal cells. This includes the vaccine against rubella as well as those against chickenpox and hepatitis A, and some of the rabies and mumps vaccines. The official position according to the National Catholic Bioethics Center is that individuals should, when possible, use vaccines not developed with the use of these cell strains. However, in the case where the only vaccine available against a particular disease was developed using this approach, the NCBC notes:
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"One is morally free to use the vaccine regardless of its historical association with abortion. The reason is that the risk to public health, if one chooses not to vaccinate, outweighs the legitimate concern about the origins of the vaccine. This is especially important for parents, who have a moral obligation to protect the life and health of their children and those around them. "
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The NCBC does note that Catholics should encourage pharmaceutical companies to develop future vaccines without the use of these cell strains. To address concerns about fetal cells remaining as actual ingredients of the vaccines, however, they specifically note that fetal cells were used only to begin the cell strains that were used in the preparation of the vaccine virus:
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“Descendant cells are the medium in which these vaccines are prepared. The cell lines under consideration were begun using cells taken from one or more fetuses aborted almost 40 years ago. Since that time the cell lines have grown independently. It is important to note that descendant cells are not the cells of the aborted child. They never, themselves, formed a part of the victim’s body.”
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In total only two fetuses, both obtained from abortions done by maternal choice, have given rise to cell strains used in vaccine development. Neither abortion was performed for the purpose of vaccine development.
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sherimarie said:
The Vatican was pretty clear it wanted people to demand an ethical alternative. I wonder how many of you people who are so thankful to be benefiting from this baby’s death actually signed the petition to get Merck to start selling the original vacccinne? Did you even know threr is one?
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Why not both? Take advantage of the life saving opportunities that we have available now, and look forward and work towards technology allowing for improvements in the future?
 
Look, I got it, most of you people do not care how the vaccine is gleaned you are just happy to not have to worry about getting measles. Fine.

I’m shocked, but fine. And it looks like everyone knew. So that answers my question. Thanks.

What about the autism link though, how does that stand in your mind? Would that be reason not to use the current vaccine? Did anyone ever see the charts?
 
Since most drug users drank milk would you say drinking milk causes drug addiction (thank you George Carlin). This is the same kind of relationship.
 
Dr. Andrew Wakefield never claimed the MMR vaccine caused autism. He claimed that a number of children with both regressive autism and chronic bowel inflammation had the vaccine strain of measles in their intestinal tract, a study that has been replicated over and over and over again at many universities and in many countries. He also suggested that further testing should be done on the effects of giving children multiple doses of vaccines at one time, something that had never been studied or proven safe, and recommended that parents ask their doctors to use the single dose measles vaccine which was available at that time in the U.K. While an investigative reporter caused the controversy to begin claiming he had no permission to test the children, complaints were never brought against him by the parents of those children. To this day, they support him. For publishing that study, he was crucified and lost his license, and every single forum discussion about vaccines is filled with people falsely claiming he lost his license for saying MMR vaccine causes autism and that his study was fraudulent/debunked.

Here’s a link to about 100 scientific studies (compiled in a blog, but not blog opinions) that link vaccines to autism, but most people who want to reduce, eliminate or slow down their vaccines don’t do it because of the link to autism. There are plenty of other reasons. adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-evidence-of-any-link.html

Measles is a minor disease in developed countries. It is extremely, extremely rare for anyone to die of it. In countries without proper sanitation, children who have compromised immune systems, such as children with AIDS, do die from it. That’s where the scary statistics come from. But in the U.S., it isn’t dangerous, just annoying.
 
If a pregnant woman is exposed to measles, the baby may have severe birth defects. Modern-day sanitation can not prevent that.
 
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