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iloveangels
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Excellent blog article by a Dominican friar. It’s a very good summation of the situation.
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Mickey
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Yes.
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opus101
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Do you think that there should be a special prayer campaign for this intention? What would be a good prayer? Something that would be easy for people to keep up with on a daily basis.
Our National Shrine is dedicated to the Immaculate Conception. How about “O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. (mention request for LCWR). Amen.”
We could do this daily, and it’s easy to remember. This is something that everyone can do no matter what their schedule!
Let’s help it go viral!!!
Our National Shrine is dedicated to the Immaculate Conception. How about “O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. (mention request for LCWR). Amen.”
We could do this daily, and it’s easy to remember. This is something that everyone can do no matter what their schedule!
Let’s help it go viral!!!
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rlg94086
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I will certainly be praying for my Archbishop. Our priest made the point in our meeting last night that he will be attacked from the left and the right. Archbishop Sartain is a good and holy bishop, and I know he will do a great job. Please keep him in your prayers.
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iloveangels
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You’re correct, Mickey. They’re not “bitter old men.”
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KSU
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What I propose is that, first, our bishops be asked to LOUDLY mandate for this intention, in addition to the prayer to Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal, the return of the Prayer to Saint Michael the Archangel after every Mass. These two powerful prayers from American Catholics after Mass will without fail help to loosen Satan’s grip on our Religious.
They helped us, now it’s our turn to help them; “them” being those older, wonderful women of God who have remained faithful but whose Congregations have been taken over by evil and who are suffering because they have nowhere else to turn.
Second, our bishops should order that (a) at least half of the funds collected annually by the Campaign for Human Development, and (b) funds collected by a new, semi-annual collection for housing and medical care of retired nuns/Sisters be used to assure the aforesaid women that they will be cared for should they choose to leave their failed congregations, orders, etc.
There are folks on this board (such as iloveangels) who are familiar with Religious structure and probably can improve substantially on the second part of my proposal.
Obviously, I have NO faith that the LCWR/NETWORK/Call to Action crowd will all of a sudden convert to Catholicism. We must not merely invoke the help of Mary, St. Michael and the founders/namesakes of the Congregations, etc., we (American Catholics) must take concrete actions to make it possible for the Church to win this fight against evil. You better believe that our enemies are watching. They already are fighting in the media, which results in propaganda such as this ltr. to the NYT:
A Lifelong Catholic Pays Tribute to the Nuns
Published: April 20, 2012 To the Editor:
Reprimands a Group of U.S. Nuns and Plans Changes” (news article, April 19):
I am a lifelong Catholic, 80-plus years, and will die a Catholic. But I will not be silent in my support of the tireless work and dedication of the wonderful nuns who serve the poor and the helpless, the sick and infirm, the children and elderly, who even go to jail for the cause of protesting the evil of war and nuclear threats to humanity and the world.
I will speak out loudly in protest at the Vatican document’s citing of nuns for, as your article says, focusing “too much on poverty and economic injustice, while keeping ‘silent’ on abortion and same-sex marriage.”
How can there ever be too much focus on poverty and economic injustice? And how can the Vatican justly rebuke women busy selflessly carrying out Christ’s work caring for the least of our brethren for being silent on abortion and homosexuality, while for decades bishops were silent about grave sins against the innocent in their care?
Herewith is my tribute to the thousands of nuns who deserve our respect and admiration. I am having shirts made up for my Catholic and non-Catholic friends and family to wear that state, “I’m with her!”
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iloveangels
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KSU,
I know you mean well, but this has to follow the course set for it by the Holy See.
The report on individual congregations isn’t out yet, although I see that’s part of what you want to address already. But we’re not there yet. That report should be ready at the end of this year. I’m not sure what part of it or how much of it will be made public. I expect that the Holy See will decide what’s to be done at that time.
I know you mean well, but this has to follow the course set for it by the Holy See.
The report on individual congregations isn’t out yet, although I see that’s part of what you want to address already. But we’re not there yet. That report should be ready at the end of this year. I’m not sure what part of it or how much of it will be made public. I expect that the Holy See will decide what’s to be done at that time.
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Barish
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How to properly spank a nun
By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Wednesday, April 25, 2012
sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/04/25/notes042512.DTL
The interesting part is that the poor author gets confused within his own narrative of good guy/bad guy. He can’t resist hating his “victims.”
By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Wednesday, April 25, 2012
sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/04/25/notes042512.DTL
It’s a short quote, but the content is gratuitously offensive after this point.
The interesting part is that the poor author gets confused within his own narrative of good guy/bad guy. He can’t resist hating his “victims.”
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mommamia
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While that article was very offensive, I can’t help but be upset with the Church leaders again. This could have been handled better.
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KSU
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I’m sorry my proposal wasn’t more clear. Nothing I proposed was intended to affect in the least the course set by the Holy See. Nor did I or would I presume to tell Bishop Sartain how to do the task he has been given; I addressed neither topic. Nor did I address the future report on individual congregations.
Besides the two specific prayers after Mass, all I proposed was a way of funding housing, living expenses and medical care for the long-suffering Religious who wish there were a way out from under the control of the LCWR/NETWORK/etc. crowd. You know far better than I about extant organizational and financial structures relating to nuns/Sisters, and therefore how best to use the new funding I proposed to rescue the said Religious as soon as possible, not in ten or 15 years, if ever.
Perhaps some believe that Bishop Sartain et al. have an even chance to convert the majority of the LCWR/NETWORK crowd, and that everything will work out soon. It is my personal opinion that the Vatican and the good bishop do not believe it will be that easy. The fact is that in all probability we are looking at a long, nasty fight–especially when it gets down to who gets what parts of physical plants and of whatever may be left of current treasuries.
Nevertheless, for legal, PR and canonical reasons, the Vatican has little choice but to take the two-part measures it has laid out. Since you think I said that I oppose that course of action, please rest assured, good lady, I did not intend to even imply it.
I also believe that the folks in Rome and the USCCB would not want to let the good nuns and Sisters suffer for years on end–and it could get worse for them–while the battle continues. That need not happen, and I’d bet that authentic American Catholics would not let it happen if a few of their dollars and prayers were all it took.
Again, I’m sorry I misled you. I hope the UCCB is listening.
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fms
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RECTITUDE OF INTENTION
St. John Chrysostom on the Pharisees
Jn 12: 4-5
St. John Chrysostom on the Pharisees
G. Chevrot, In Secret
St. John Chrysostom, Homily on Evangelical perfection
When I listens to Sr. Simone Campbell of NETWORK who has been in the media a lot since the LCWR news and I cannot help recall with a shudder:
Jn 12: 4-5
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JoanC
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Three sisters and a lay worker in 1980 who gave their lives In El Salvador for Christ and for Christ’s poor. Maura Clarke, MM; Ita Ford, MM; Dorothy Kazel, OSU; and Jean Donovan.
Pray for us.
If you don’t know their story, as a Catholic Christian, you should.
Sister Dorothy ,SND,from Ohio, lived among those who wanted her dead in the Amazon rainforest in Brazil. When they finally came for her she read passages from the Bible to her killers. They listened for a moment, then fired. Her body was found face down in the mud, blood staining the back of her white blouse. She died for Christ and for Christ’s poor.
Pray for us.
If you don’t know her story, as a Catholic Christian, you should.
And there are others.
Pray for us.
If you don’t know their story, as a Catholic Christian, you should.
Sister Dorothy ,SND,from Ohio, lived among those who wanted her dead in the Amazon rainforest in Brazil. When they finally came for her she read passages from the Bible to her killers. They listened for a moment, then fired. Her body was found face down in the mud, blood staining the back of her white blouse. She died for Christ and for Christ’s poor.
Pray for us.
If you don’t know her story, as a Catholic Christian, you should.
And there are others.
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Mickey
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Pnkn
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Pnkn
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Hello -
In the Roman Catholic religion, aren’t parents supposed to be the ones who teach the faith (and how to live it) ?
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Pnkn
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Hello -
If a sister/nun disagrees with the theology of her congregation/order, why not leave that group and transfer to one that is compatible with the faith (such as those congregations/orders who belong to the alternative leadership conference) ?
I’m not reading/seeing anywhere that those women who are in congregations/orders that belong to the LCWR are forced to remain in their congregation/order.
Thanks,
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Brendan
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It IS rather difficult for an older nun to transfer to a different order. When the woman was accepted into the order in the first place, the order took on the responsibility of her care when she grew too old to serve. First the woman serves, and then is served.
Another order would not have the resources to care for an elderly woman, as the care was not planned for or anticipated.
So there are many nuns, though quite old, still wear the habit, and are still faithful to the Magisterium, while their ‘younger’ sisters protest Church teachings.
Pray for all these women.
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JoanC
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This is what the sisters mean to me. Sacrifice, sometimes the ultimate one. People need a reminder.Memory Eternal!
But what does this have to do with the needed reform within the LCWR?
The sisters of the LCWR are unsung heroes and true leaders of the Roman Catholic Church. They have been the prophetic voice of the church since Vatican II. What I read here and on other traditional sites is only a minority in support of this inquisition. Lay people from around the world are concerned over this. They’re writing, emailing, petitioning bishops to stop the nonsense. People are writing the individual orders of sisters asking what they can do to help. Priests in parishes, even traditional minded priests, are speaking from the pulpit in support of the sisters. I have come to believe that in a sense, this male investigation of women (who have never had any power) is an awakening to Catholics around the world that it’s time to move our church into the future and get it off the path that is spiraling downward. It’s too early to tell what that future is suppose to look like. The bishops have been the cause of a major division among Catholics. Is that good or bad in your mind? Things will never be the same again, except for those who bury their heads in the sand and wish for a smaller purer Church.
Discuss. Or delete, I expect one of those silly infractions, or even block me from the site. It doesn’t matter to me.
Also, as far as a prayer petition, that’s a great idea. Although it’s not a bad thing to pray for the bishops, I don’t think the bishops need our help. They have set their course. I do believe we each should pray for ourselves as individual Catholics who need the Holy Spirit’s guidance.
Here’s a psalm that would apply.
Bend my heart to do your will
and not to love of gain.
Keep my eyes from what is false:
by your word, give me life… - Psalm 119*
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zab
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The parents are the primary educators of their children when bringing them up in the Catholic Faith. They set the good example for their children to follow. But sometimes parents need the help and support of the Church in helping to educate their children in the Faith, whether that be sending them to Catholic School or Religious Education classes. We have a wonderful Catholic School now, but there was a time about 25 years ago that our Catholic School was not doing a very good job in teaching religion and supporting parents in their efforts to raise their children in the Catholic Faith. In fact, it was thrown back at us that “parents are the primary educators of their children in teaching the Catholic Faith” as an excuse- They kind of washed their hands of any responsiblility in teaching the faith. I’m so glad that our recent pastors have taken more interest in our Catholic School to make it what it is today.
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