Vatican demands reform of American nuns' leadership group [CWN]

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And now it is starting to get picked up even more by the mainstream media, of course with the predictable inflammatory headlines. I think we are going to see a backlash building here in short order. Particularly when some of the more strident sisters decide to get their backs up and speak publicly. In a situation such as this, it will be interesting to see which superiors allow their sisters to speak and which do not. As you will see in some of the following links, some have already started to do so.

Vatican orders crackdown on ‘radical’ nuns in the US

Vatican crackdown: U.S. nuns chastised for questioning church

Vatican Reprimands a Group of U.S. Nuns and Plans Changes

And a more cautious approach from a non mainstream source.

Let’s Be Sober About the LCWR Assessment
 
In one of the above articles, the CDF stated that the doctrinal and pastoral situation of the LCWR was “grave”. I agree, but it doesn’t seem any graver than it was 10, 20 plus years ago. What took so long?
 
manualman said:
Anyone worried that the bishops might be motivated by something sinister here need only read the book “Ungodly Rage” published in 1991 to see the sort of flat out anti-catholic poison that the bishops are trying to weed out from the ranks of the religious. Those problems weren’t new in 1991 when the book came out, so you can hardly call this reaction by the bishops hasty or knee jerk. This has been a LONG time developing.
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Very long indeed. Things have been this way at least since the 70’s.
 
triumphguy said:
hmm… I see people are taking this as an attack on nuns and sisters they themselves loved and respected, or as an attack on women religious in general.

For instance: Why are they doing this to the women who really helped lay the foundation of the American Catholic Church?

Or: Once more, a group of men with more than a few problems of their own choose to turn their thinking to how to fix women. Seems to me there is a lot of evidence that there a lot of men in the church that need fixing! Heal thyself, Bishops!

With now and again some common sense:* Look you guys, as a young women interested in religious life and someone who has had a privileged view into a handful of women’s religious communities, the action by the Vatican is long overdue.*

I’m sick of all this us vs them mentality in the Church right now: women vs men; religious vs secular; priests vs lay; SSPX or TLM vs OF.

We’ve got a battle on our hands. We need to pull together. It’s time we all got behind the Pope and fought the real fights of our times.
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What you have to remember is that the American Catholics are only about 5% of the global Catholic Church. Some of what you’ve heard this spring is just stuff that’s happening here, and some is happening globally. If in the USA, it looks like a lot is happening all at once, it’s because you’re seeing the local stuff AND the international stuff at once.

For instance, the SSPX stuff is huge in France. Not so much here in the midwestern USA, but it’s huge in some places.
 
IggyAntiochus said:
Wow… I had no idea the situation was like that with U.S. nuns…Well, I guess it shouldn’t surprise anyone. Good for the Vatican.
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There are interesting comments re “Options facing LCWR” at this link for National Catholic Reporter: ncronline.org/news/women-religious/options-facing-lcwr-stark-canon-lawyers-say

There are a number of articles online. Some wonder if the Leadership Conference of Women Religious will respond to the new oversight with submission, or break with Rome.
 
Anna_Scott said:
Well, they’ve managed to escape sanction for quite some time. If they are seriously invested in their feminist beliefs; I doubt this is the end of it.

The issues such as homosexuality and the ordination of women were flagged back in 2001. Link: ncronline.org/news/women/women-religious-meet-vatican-accusers-rome
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What’s even more disturbing is the comments made by Catholic posters on the NCR page describing it. I know, of course, that the internet is a breeding ground for nutjobs like that…but it’s nice to know they have their issues with unfaithful laity just like the rest of us.

It certainly doesn’t bode well for the American church, though. In my experience with the average lay Catholic in the US, they aren’t too far from propagating the kind of liberalism that this group of nuns does, especially in the northeastern part of the States.
 
IggyAntiochus said:
What’s even more disturbing is the comments made by Catholic posters on the NCR page describing it. I know, of course, that the internet is a breeding ground for nutjobs like that…but it’s nice to know they have their issues with unfaithful laity just like the rest of us.

It certainly doesn’t bode well for the American church, though. In my experience with the average lay Catholic in the US, they aren’t too far from propagating the kind of liberalism that this group of nuns does, especially in the northeastern part of the States.
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IggyAntiochus,

I was rather surprised by the posted comments as well. I’m accustomed to discussing issues here with faithful Catholics.

There have been quite a few threads here about the issues in Anglicanism and understandably so. It’s a rough time for us right now. However, Catholics are facing similar questions regarding social equality, and equality within the life of the Church.

I think the same issues are creeping into Christendom as a whole; and we, as Christians, need to stand together for Christian orthodoxy, rather than spending time pointing fingers at one another.
 
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Anna_Scott said:
IggyAntiochus,

I was rather surprised by the posted comments as well. I’m accustomed to discussing issues here with faithful Catholics.

There have been quite a few threads here about the issues in Anglicanism and understandably so. It’s a rough time for us right now. However, Catholics are facing similar questions regarding social equality, and equality within the life of the Church.

I think the same issues are creeping into Christendom as a whole; and we, as Christians, need to stand together for Christian orthodoxy, rather than spending time pointing fingers at one another.
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I think you’re absolutely right on all counts. The Lord never said the last days would be easy for the church.

I am wondering whether this particular religious organization will accept Vatican authority over it or whether they will leave the RCC. Also, I wonder if they refuse to submit, whether it will result in a mass excommunication of all 57,000 members? I’m not sure how that works in the RCC. I am suspecting many of its members will bolt to liberal mainline Protestant churches, though I am sure some will submit to the clergy.
 
Anna_Scott said:
There are interesting comments re “Options facing LCWR” at this link for National Catholic Reporter: ncronline.org/news/women-religious/options-facing-lcwr-stark-canon-lawyers-say

There are a number of articles online. Some wonder if the Leadership Conference of Women Religious will respond to the new oversight with submission, or break with Rome.
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This had to make me chuckle wryly a bit over the idea (not fact of course) of a “break” with Rome…especially since it appears that Rome is close to a settlement with SSPX…
One crisis settled another starting???

Let us hope not.

Peace
James
 
JRKH said:
This had to make me chuckle wryly a bit over the idea (not fact of course) of a “break” with Rome…especially since it appears that Rome is close to a settlement with SSPX…
One crisis settled another starting???

Let us hope not.

Peace
James
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Some crises may be necessary, unfortunately! This looks like it could be one of them.
 
IggyAntiochus said:
I think you’re absolutely right on all counts. The Lord never said the last days would be easy for the church.

I am wondering whether this particular religious organization will accept Vatican authority over it or whether they will leave the RCC. Also, I wonder if they refuse to submit, whether it will result in a mass excommunication of all 57,000 members? .
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Considering the average age of those nuns, I wonder how they would plan for the retirement of these sisters, absent the resources of the Church as a whole.
 
theidler said:
I for one am absolutely thrilled by this move:thumbsup: - traditional orders are thriving, and this is just another nail in the coffin of modernistic, “spirit of Vatican II”, new age soaked goofiness…thank God.
The Catholic Church, she is timeless. This whole modernism thing has gone on far too long.
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Well, the new orders had better do a better job of defining who they are and what they are for, or this will happen again 100 years down the line. A lot of people don’t know the history behind all this but there is some and what we’ve seen for the last 40 years is the result of what went on 100-200 years ago.
 
Brendan said:
Considering the average age of those nuns, I wonder how they would plan for the retirement of these sisters, absent the resources of the Church as a whole.
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Yeah…from what I read in one of the articles, they don’t have a member under 65 and no novices.
 
This is long overdue. I know the order that was in charge of the schools I attended has
had some pretty liberal leanings.
NC Reporter is pretty liberal as well and if the readers sent in negative comments about
the Vatican, I’m not surprised. It is not on my reading list.
 
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