Vatican demands reform of American nuns' leadership group [CWN]

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KSU said:
That would happen only after Hell freezes over.

And, BTW, what you are being told herein above has been true everywhere I’ve lived–the younger (1980ties and later) clergy and religious definitely tend to be orthodox compared to the old Catholic Worker and “Seamless Garment” folks.
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Well, the other parish has priests that are of the same vintage and they are not heterodox, so it’s not a 1:1 correspondence. A lot of the parishioners from the now liberal parish have defected over the years, and are happily serving (and giving!) at the more orthodox parish. We’ve held out as long as we can, mainly because my husband likes the homilies from the more liberal priest. He’s a VERY intelligent man, really quite overqualified for the job, IMO he would be an asset to any seminary. But he’s also very stubborn and has his own way of doing things which has driven people away (he’s also not a “people person”).

Next time I see the priest we had last night, I will ask him about the LCWR situation and see what he says.
 
It’s not a 1:1 ratio, of course, but it is a very pronounced tendency; the younger they are the more orthodox they tend to be (and that’s not by accident). What muddies the age comparison a bit is that the middle aged and older clerical converts from Protestant and Episcopal congregations also strongly trend toward orthodoxy, thank God. In your state, Texas, I noticed a lot of priest-converts.

Catholicism in Texas is–“different”. I’ve lived in Alaska, Oklahoma, Ohio, Virginia and Texas, with stops in a few other places. My wife and I lived in your state for 12 years and attended three different parishes. In our first Texas parish, the priest and deacon may have been Methodist for all we knew, and we were stared at when we actually pulled down the kneelers and knelt. Once, a little girl sitting next to us asked her mother why we were doing that. Our bishop never even gave me the courtesy of a reply to my letter about that and the parish liturgy in general. After we moved to another Texas city, we attended a parish in which the newly arrived convert pastor was so orthodox he wouldn’t allow Amazing Grace to be sung any more because it was not completely sound theologically. (When he was out of town one weekend we sung Amazing Grace at Mass again just to have some fun with his reaction when he got back. He understood; a great guy and we miss him.)

In between those two extremes we attended a Maronite Rite parish in North Central Texas; it was like dying and going to heaven. But that’s Texas; its clerical and religious orthodoxy ranges from apostasy to divine.

BTW, if you do ask your priest about the LCWR situation to see what he says, remember that it’s the dual LCWR/NETWORK situation that the Vatican is concerned about. The “nuns on the bus” hissy fit seems to be soley a NETWORK reaction. Anyway, rotsa ruck with your priest.
 
mwic said:
Good interview, I thought
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Complete softball interview. Allowed them to attack the bishops as big old meanies who are treating the poor poor nuns sooooo badly. And wait for the interview they will have with a bishop, it will be a grilling.

This quote made me nauseous.

"I think the criticism of what we’re not talking about seems to me to be unfair. Because [Women] Religious have clearly given our lives to supporting life, to supporting the dignity of human persons. Our works are very much pro-life. We would question, however, any policy that is more pro-fetus than actually pro-life. If the rights of the unborn trump all of the rights of all of those who are already born, that is a distortion, too — if there’s such an emphasis on that.

Such weasely language to hide their pro-abortion stance.
 
KSU said:
It’s not a 1:1 ratio, of course, but it is a very pronounced tendency; the younger they are the more orthodox they tend to be (and that’s not by accident). What muddies the age comparison a bit is that the middle aged and older clerical converts from Protestant and Episcopal congregations also strongly trend toward orthodoxy, thank God. In your state, Texas, I noticed a lot of priest-converts.

Catholicism in Texas is–“different”. I’ve lived in Alaska, Oklahoma, Ohio, Virginia and Texas, with stops in a few other places. My wife and I lived in your state for 12 years and attended three different parishes. In our first Texas parish, the priest and deacon may have been Methodist for all we knew, and we were stared at when we actually pulled down the kneelers and knelt. Once, a little girl sitting next to us asked her mother why we were doing that. Our bishop never even gave me the courtesy of a reply to my letter about that and the parish liturgy in general. After we moved to another Texas city, we attended a parish in which the newly arrived convert pastor was so orthodox he wouldn’t allow Amazing Grace to be sung any more because it was not completely sound theologically. (When he was out of town one weekend we sung Amazing Grace at Mass again just to have some fun with his reaction when he got back. He understood; a great guy and we miss him.)

In between those two extremes we attended a Maronite Rite parish in North Central Texas; it was like dying and going to heaven. But that’s Texas; its clerical and religious orthodoxy ranges from apostasy to divine.

BTW, if you do ask your priest about the LCWR situation to see what he says, remember that it’s the dual LCWR/NETWORK situation that the Vatican is concerned about. The “nuns on the bus” hissy fit seems to be soley a NETWORK reaction. Anyway, rotsa ruck with your priest.
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Maybe it’s because Texas is just so geographically LARGE, and encompasses many different populations…I know that Catholicism should be the same no matter where we are located, but unfortunately over the years, as you know, things have gotten rather lax in many areas/parishes/diocese.

Did I say in my previous post that he was also quite derogatory toward EWTN and even stated, “All we have left is Mother Angelica?” I nearly came out of my seat on that one!

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TheRealJuliane said:
:mad::mad::mad:

This is just disgusting. One of the comments says exactly what I was thinking, “30 pieces of silver, anyone?”

:eek::eek::eek:
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the Ursuline nuns from the Academy called her at her hotel to tell her: “We’re all for you. We know this is a difficult issue to speak on, but we absolutely believe that you’re living under Catholic values.”

Yikes is right…so sad they would compromise so
Lisa
 
Yep. I saw that one a while back and couldn’t believe it. The actions taken by the CDF have been long overdue with things like this going on.
 
LisaA said:
the Ursuline nuns from the Academy called her at her hotel to tell her: “We’re all for you. We know this is a difficult issue to speak on, but we absolutely believe that you’re living under Catholic values.”

Yikes is right…so sad they would compromise so
Lisa
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Yes, the way they define Catholic and the way I define Catholic could not be more different. This heresy has to be uprooted and burned away like the poisonous weed that it is.
 
jwinch2 said:
Yep. I saw that one a while back and couldn’t believe it. The actions taken by the CDF have been long overdue with things like this going on.
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Without question. I was deeply disappointed in the heads of the Franciscan families for announcing their solidarity with the offending nuns, thereby declaring their non solidarity with the Holy See. Things like that grow tiresome, TBH. 😦
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Without question. I was deeply disappointed in the heads of the Franciscan families for announcing their solidarity with the offending nuns, thereby declaring their non solidarity with the Holy See. Things like that grow tiresome, TBH. 😦
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I have to agree. Thankfully, I do believe that things are on the upswing with female religious communities. The Dominicans in particular have several wonderful young communities with a strong focus on being orthodox. There are also many independent congregations not affiliated with one of the big orders, which is great to see.
 
jwinch2 said:
I have to agree. Thankfully, I do believe that things are on the upswing with female religious communities. The Dominicans in particular have several wonderful young communities with a strong focus on being orthodox. There are also many independent congregations not affiliated with one of the big orders, which is great to see.
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Agreed. And to be fair to the Franciscans, they do have Mother Angelica’s nuns:)
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
And to be fair to the Franciscans, they do have Mother Angelica’s nuns:)
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Agreed. And, I am sure there are many other wonderful groups we never get to hear about going about their business, trying to be faithful, etc. without looking for a pat on the back for doing so.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Without question. I was deeply disappointed in the heads of the Franciscan families for announcing their solidarity with the offending nuns, thereby declaring their non solidarity with the Holy See. Things like that grow tiresome, TBH. 😦
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That is a distortion of what the letter from the Franciscans said. Brother JR explained all of this before. The Franciscans are not taking sides in this.
 
Elizium23 said:
That is a distortion of what the letter from the Franciscans said. Brother JR explained all of this before. The Franciscans are not taking sides in this.
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My sincerest apologies, then. I truly appreciated the correction. You have just made my day (really). 🙂
 
KSU said:
Not taking sides? americamagazine.org/blog/entry.cfm?blog_id=2&entry_id=5171

"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me, scatters.
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I read the letter as decrying the tendency to take sides and establish enemies as soon as possible:
The rancor and incivility of public conversation in the United States at this time make the possibility of productive dialogue more difficult to achieve. We pray that the future conversation between LCWR and CDF might provide an example to the larger world of respectful, civil dialog. Such dialog will require a degree of mutuality, trust and honesty that is absent from much of our world.
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mwic said:
I read the letter as decrying the tendency to take sides and establish enemies as soon as possible:
The rancor and incivility of public conversation in the United States at this time make the possibility of productive dialogue more difficult to achieve. We pray that the future conversation between LCWR and CDF might provide an example to the larger world of respectful, civil dialog. Such dialog will require a degree of mutuality, trust and honesty that is absent from much of our world.
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Isn’t this supposed to be a “dialogue” between only the LCWR and the CDF? Why throw in the red herring about public conversation? I hope their words are not an attempt to validate rebellion by sugar-coating dissent with virtuous words that speak of assurance and good faith.
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