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mary_bobo
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Not to be argumentative, but I have heard of a school shooting back in the late 20’s in which more were killed. I will try to look up the info.
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Imryl
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If this is really something you’d like to debate then make another thread. We can discuss it there.
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Montalban
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That seems rather callous. It’s like saying "One day some of you will realize that a very good number of us don’t care how many starving children die.
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catholicbuckeye
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Yes it was and that law didn’t stop him. There are laws against murder, too (except abortion, which has been noted here). Pretty harsh penalties attached to those laws. He broke those laws as well. Don’t worry, in their “infinite wisdom,” lawmakers will ink a new law that does even better next time to prevent something like this. A law that makes the next would-be psycopathic killer stop and say “ooooh, I really shouldn’t do that.”
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Jennifer_J
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Do you really think that life today in America is MORE violent than any other time in history? Think back through history and I think you will find much more violence on a daily basis in many past times than today–we just didn’t have 24/7 news to report it all.
While I understand your anecdotal story about middle schoolers (I used to teach K-8) I think a lot of that is bravado and silliness that SHOULD be corrected by the school and parents (immediately, btw). To allow it to go on and affect other students is a disservice to all. Join the school board and make a change…
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mom to 1 ds and 4 dd’s, blessing #6 due in July
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estesbob
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In other words dont confuse the issue with facts.Set you newborn aside and let it starve to death and then try telling the police you have a different opinion than them about how life works.
The unborn child is no more a part of your body than ones three year old is. A lot of support for this abject evil is based on ignorance.
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estesbob
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Reminds me of what Harry Turman said. “I dont give em hell-I just tell the truth and they think its hell”
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vern_humphrey
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You’re absolutely right.
Virginia is a “shall issue” state – so any citizen 21 or over with no criminal record is entitled to a concealed carry permit on application. In addition, open carry without a permit is legal.
But the campus is a gun-free zone.
As a result, the victims were completely helpless.
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estesbob
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I have been to Wounded Knee and they have a huge metal sign descibing what happeened. Welded on the top of the sign is an obviously added section that says Massacre at Wounded Knee. I asked what this addttion covered and was told athe description used to say “Battle of Wounded Knee”
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st_lucy
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With statements like these are we really surprised acts like the VT massacre happen. Until our world start to respect ALL life, than how can respect ANY life!
You obviously have never had a child or you would never make such statements. A child in utro is no different than a one month, a one year or a five year old. They all need love and care to survive. I am so glad that your parents felt that way for you instead of think of you as some burden that could have been done away with.
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dessert
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I’m sorry to hear you have this view, maybe you have had an abortion or know someone who has but there is forgiveness in Jesus and I know you don’t want to hear that ither but I do have compassion and I think you have been gravely misinformed or taught.
These are scientific facts and read more in wiki to refute me if you can.
The baby (fetus) human life is attached to the cord- thus attached to the placenta and through the placenta which formed when the baby seperated ino four cells( body, embyonic sac ,placenta, organs) this placenta is through absorption receiving and exchanging life O2 and CO2 between them. It is a live ( that is what I like about that movie 5 alive although it is about a machine I think they were tryiing to show how humanity can get through)
He or she is breathing only through the cells like a fish in water.
I also used to think that it was just an it but have learned he or she is alive, I was pro- choice hate to confess but I should like to it was wrong.
She has a seperate blood system; ie; father A mother B,daughter AB if both are O the baby still is a seprerate blood . Otherwise there would be no problemo with Positive for RH factor because then it would be no hey day if the bably was the same.
If mom is positive for RH then first baby is like a tolerated foreinger blood wise but the mom makes anti to use on the next so watch out for the the next (poor one.) He becomes a victim, like a virus.
This baby is getting life from you so how can you say the mom is not destroying her?
Tubal Pregnancy;
The sperm contacts with the egg and bingo, two days or hours, it starts, the egg travels through the tube and gets stuck, cramped conditions but the baby can still grow because it just starts to grow in there because it has all the neccessary tissues, just needs the exchange of your cells, which can be good for her or bad if you smoke, your baby smokes too.
I work with a lady that had a tubal preg for three months and it ruptured she lost the tube and ovary and the poor baby, yes it was nature, natural but not murder.
Hopefully everthing goes natural, Your baby is breathing but doesn’t have a voice but has a heart, brain, working system that God designed and wants to grow and should have that right. I am saddend you feel the way you do I pray for a change of heart as we more than likely won’t change your mind here. Dessert
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vern_humphrey
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Ahh, how shall I put this?WOW! Minnesota is rather lenient went it comes to conceal and carry. Here in Southern California, it is extremely difficult to get. Imagine California with millions of traffic weary motorists all with c&c’s. YIKES!!!
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There are 50 states. In 38 states, any citizen over 21 with no criminal record can take a simple course and get a concealed carry permit – and he cannot be refused.
In two states (Vermont and Alaska) anyone who can legally own a handgun can carry it – concealed or openly, and no permit is needed.
So in 80% of states any citizen who is not a criminal can carry a concealed weapon.
In addition, in many states (Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona are good examples) a person can carry a pistol openly (not concealed) without a permit.
These laws have a track record going back a quarter of a century, and guess what? When states adopt liberalized conceal carry laws, crime goes down!
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catholicbuckeye
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After it is born it is completely dependent on you as well, umbilical cord or not. Why not be able to make a choice in regards to your finances or your free time or your style and kill the baby at that point? Regardless of whether or not it is in your body or attached to your body, it is still a human being and deserves to be treated as such.
Did you have a bad relationship with your parents, the people who you were dependent on, to feel this way? Being able to say you don’t mind 4,000 babie being chopped to bits is psychotic. I am not saying that to flame or to name call. That is literally what that is.
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st_lucy
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wow Dessert! This was very will put and very gentle. Thank you for saying what I couldn’t with out being angry.
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irishmac
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Thank you for clarifying the statistics about states that allow citizens to carry and conceal weapons.
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dessert
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Your welcome and I was pro choice for a long time till I realized that the wee ones in us need a voice too and they are not just a blob of tissue. Dessert
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Aramis
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The problem isn’t the school board, but the underlying legal and social changes which have made the legal authority of the schools minimal.
And while not at our most violent, we are at our most criminal point in our history, excluding the Revolutionary and Civil wars. Suspensions for violence are on the rise. Drug offenses in schools are massively higher.
That this outsider, a non-citizen was able to procure a firearm is only vaguely related, but even more troubling. We have a drastically different nature of criminality, one which would likely have been dealt with quite differently before.
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Imryl
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Yes I have a child.
Yes, I am close to my parents and I’ve had a very, (in my opinion), good life.
Still. If this is something you’d like to discuss I’m not really interested in cluttering this thread with things that seem to be a bit off topic.
Yes, I am close to my parents and I’ve had a very, (in my opinion), good life.
Still. If this is something you’d like to discuss I’m not really interested in cluttering this thread with things that seem to be a bit off topic.
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Aramis
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Don’t know where you got your info, but Alaska is a permit required for concealed carry state. see dps.state.ak.us/PermitsLicensing/achp/IMAGES/achplaw.pdf
Alaska IS an open-holster state, however. Anyone who can legally possess a firearm may openly carry that firearm.
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