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Yes this specific instance is “utilitarian” but that doesn’t describe my outlook on everything. I already described that this was in the context of a neutral Catholic bystander judging the amount of killings that are being committed. So yes, certainly I am advocating for killing the least amount of people in this context.
 
Convert3 said:
Seriously??? It’s more like 7,800 per day, with more in the winter than the summer.
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Every year, my bad.
ConcernedConvert said:
There are so many battles at stake here, not only abortion (although I believe it to be the most crucial battle.
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Here is the problem; The battle to undo abortion would go as follows (best case scenario):

Enough people are willing to pass a bill to undo abortions legal standing and get endorsed by congress as a whole. This bill would need to pass the Senate which won’t because bills get revised all the time and get kicked back to congress. The argument would happen and time would pass but again best case scenario sent back to the senate.
Senate then approves the bill that then falls in the lap of the president who can sign it or veto.
Assuming again BCS it gets signed on a sunny day with birds chirping and butterflies fluttering there’s still one more step and this is where our best-case scenario falls apart.

The supreme court can and will strike down the law on the basis of women’s rights. Even if you go through all the trouble of stacking congress and the senate, praying the electoral college gives you a president you want the supreme court can undo it faster then all your best efforts every time.

You can’t stack the supreme court though many of tried. I’m not saying it’s incorruptible or beyond all hope, I’m saying the levels of bureaucracy that guard it are centries in the making.
This is by design so that no one man can in any reasonable lifetime inflict his will on it.

The number of social changes needed to ensure lawyers schooled today become qualified justices tomorrow is so astronomical it would take a massive event so dire that would radically alter not just a generation but a people.

Or I can vote democrat and hopefully get a president who’s more responsible and pick off these “lesser issues” within the next 10 years.
 
However, the Church teaches that every life has dignity from conception until natural death. She does not teach to sacrifice even one.
 
You act like all the problems, social, moral and spiritual are centered around this one abortion issue with the Democratic Party. It may be the biggest issue, but it is far from the only issue.

The problem with voting for Biden, is that he has already promised and pledged to further the degradation of many core catholic beliefs and further impose socialistic/communistic principles which stand in direct opposition to not only the catholic faith, but to common sense and factual history.
By voting trump, we at least know that there will be an attempt, at worse, or major positive changes at best, to protect some of these major catholic issues. We at least know he will try to protect the unborn, vs Biden who has been gunning for killing babies at any stage of development in the womb publicly and openly regardless of its direct contradiction to his catholic faith profession.
 
Tell me, are Joe Biden or Kamala Harris Responsible, if so, how exactly?
 
I don’t understand your point in a real world context. I certainly hope you would give me enough of a benefit of doubt to think that I don’t want anyone to die. But people die, and its our job to save as many as possible.

we don’t live in a perfect world. If we (as the human race) did, we either wouldn’t have fallen or we wouldn’t have free will.
 
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The source is my own observation., in other word my opinion based on what the Democrats have said and done. You are seeing the promotion of so called abortion up until birth. You are also seeing that if somehow the baby survives the abortion they should be left to die, infanticide.
 
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The source is my own observation., in other word my opinion based on what the Democrats have said and done. You are seeing the promotion of so called abortion up until birth. You are also seeing that if somehow the baby survives the abortion they should be left to die, infanticide
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‘Abortion up to birth’ is not promoted by anyone. Societies do not need laws against everything that is undesirable. How many very late term abortions are done in Canada, where there is no such law?
 
Abortion is promoted and I see it going towards killing the child once born. Governor Ralph Northam discussed what would happen in a failed abortion, that is if they didn’t kill the baby. His answer can only be construed as infanticide. As I said it is my opinion, based on the trends. They don’t come out and say that is their goal but they are preparing the way for it’s acceptance. Just like they did with euthanasia laws.
You can’t determine how many abortions are done in Canada since they aren’t keen on documenting it.
 
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You can’t determine how many abortions are done in Canada since they aren’t keen on documenting it.
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Averages around 90k a year according to ARCC. They are extremely pro choice so I doubt they have any reason to adjust that number.

Statistics Canada in 2005 has the same number as them so I’d wager it’s accurate.
 
Really, out of all of the things to focus on, diplomats?
 
War with who, for what reason and where do you find this information?
 
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War with who
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When you don’t have a diplomat you eliminate discussion. No discussion only leaves threats and violence. Trump thinks he’s playing hard ball with countries by not appointing diplomats. All it does is breed resentment as best and violence.

“If you don’t fund the State Department fully, then I need to buy more ammunition ultimately,"

"So I think it’s a cost-benefit ratio. The more that we put into the State Department’s diplomacy, hopefully the less we have to put into a military budget as we deal with the outcome of an apparent American withdrawal from the international scene,”

James Mattis; Defence Secretary.

This is a drop in the bucket of the growing list of poor decisions this president has made.

Others include not ordering companies to retool for the pandemic when we had a chance. Lest he ordered GM but it was too little too late. He thinks the pandemic makes him look bad so he denies it, minimizing it.

Yes abortion is terrible but Trump is responsible for thousands of bodies just this year alone. Through his petty egotistical inactive tough boy act.
 
I understand the theory here that you are discussing. From my perspective it is just that a theory. You claim by eliminating diplomacy he has eliminated “discussion”, then you connect eliminated discussion with dead bodies. I would argue first that he has not Eliminated diplomacy. This is something that has been changing worldwide for the past decades, in fact some argued that “diplomacy was dead” much prior to Trump taking office. The questions that I will point out to you that I believe refute your theory is this: what has changed between a Trumps presidency and the last several as far as military and war deaths, terrorist deaths, etc around the world? Who exactly is he responsible for? Who “will” we be going to war with?
 
(300,000,000/2) X 0.6 = 90 million.

How did you get 36 million? Is that common core math?
 
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(300,000,000/2) X 0.6 = 90 million.
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Of that 90 who can or willing do engage in sex without contraceptives? How many are even able to have kids?

Out of that 90 million only just shy of 4 million births a year. Even if you count yearly abortion that’s only bumps that number up to 4.5 million.
 
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