Voting for Jesus

[TheLittleLady]

You are aware that this teaching has been further clarified and the Church does not permit the death penalty in our world today.

 

[TheLittleLady]

But people die, and its our job to save as many as possible.

It is our job to spread the gospel and show people joy and love and kindness.

Women have abortions because they are afraid of something. If we work to make our little corner of the world a place were people are not afraid of poverty or homelessness or lack of health care or abandonment, abortions in that corner will decrease dramatically.

Let’s care for the people in front of us.

 

[ColoradoCatholic]

It is our job to spread the gospel and show people joy and love and kindness.

Yes, that is ALSO part of our job. It does not detract from trying to save as many people as possible from being killed, especially by abortion.

 

[Anrakyr]

Yes, that is ALSO part of our job. It does not detract from trying to save as many people as possible from being killed, especially by abortion.

You’d be better served eradicating the need then the upstream battle to reverse a law the courts will just toss anyway.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Would you show me the Doctrinal statement that says this? That trying to prevent future taking of lives is more important than caring for our neighbor?

 

[ColoradoCatholic]

Would you show me the Doctrinal statement that says this? That trying to prevent future taking of lives is more important than caring for our neighbor?

This is a grand misinterpretation of what I said, and by the way its not doctrine…its a dogma called the Ten Commandments, Particularly the 5th one.

Edit: I also don’t understand why you are so inclined to take what I’m saying and either play me the fool or just nitpick small parts of my posts and try to misrepresent them.

 

[ColoradoCatholic]

Maybe I haven’t made this clear enough, but I’m all for “eradicating” abortion across the whole world. Either by law or otherwise, in accordance with basic human dignity and the teachings of the Catholic faith.

 

[PatK63]

@Anrakyr
I don’t feel I have much control over what happens in Gaza. We have to figure out how to eliminate unjust killing of blacks. Physiological testing of policemen and candidates would be a good start. Plus if the youth would learn to respect the police and do what the officers say, I think the problem would be near a solution. So now we must deal with victims who are guilty of not one thing who are killed before they are born. Did you know that there is a $500 fine for the distraction of an eagle’s egg?

 

[TheLittleLady]

It does not detract from trying to save as many people as possible from being killed, especially by abortion

This is what you said, when I spoke of the commands we are given to share the Gospel and love our neighbors, etc.

In my understanding, the word “especially” sets that thing of a higher importance than other things. For instance 'i want you to go shopping for groceries especially apples" means that despite the other things, apples are Paramount on the list.

If I misunderstood your use of that word, please clarify.

 

[ColoradoCatholic]

If I misunderstood your use of that word, please clarify.

I think it best if this conversation just end. I don’t understand why you are opposed to a fellow catholic speaking out against abortion. I just don’t get it, and it happens on these forums a ton.

 

[TheLittleLady]

I am against every abortion. I do NOT favor laws with big loopholes as the Republican politicians have embraces for decades. We gave incrementalism half a century. It does not work.

Time to focus on the strategy of building communities where no one is afraid to have a child. Where moms who decide to place their children for adoption are heroes. Where every teen knows the location and purpose of Safe Haven in their community.

Let’s try to do this with love, the Gospel, with mercy instead of political wedge issues that get us nowhere.

 

[ColoradoCatholic]

Republican politicians

This is why so many Catholics fight me on this issue, because of their political leanings. It brings us full circle to my original post because this: You cannot sit idle and not vote, because you commit a sin of omission by not doing something that you could to save lives, but you cannot support the party that advocates for abortion.

I’m guessing you disagree. But this is why I have such a strong standpoint on this, because a hypothetical saving of lives:

strategy of building communities

doesn’t outweigh something that has happened, is happening, and will continue to happen (600,000 abortions a year). Thus we must vote against those who advocate for abortion. Namely Biden/Harris who publicly advocate for its continued and strengthened implementation in our society. It is from the evil one, and it it why I speak against it. Why?

Because I fear for the souls of those who think somehow that they will not be accountable for voting to support abortion because they think another political issue is more important.

 

[TheLittleLady]

I’ve never once voted to support abortion, I’ve voted in every election. My first POTus vote was for Reagan.

Our Bishops warn us against putting party first.

 

[ColoradoCatholic]

Our Bishops warn us against putting party first.

Exactly…faith first always. therefore you must not vote for any part that supports abortion because it is the greatest source of evil in America right now.

 

[TheLittleLady]

This eliminates both of the headline parties. Allowing IVF, embryo creation for research, loopholes, these are all allowing the taking of life.

I’d suggest reading Forming Consiounces for Faithful Citizenship.

 

[ColoradoCatholic]

This eliminates both of the headline parties.

No, not voting is not an option. (sins of omission)

Thus, my utilitarian approach to choosing the lesser of two evils. We talked about this at length remember? The republicans options are far less “lethal”

therefore, choosing this party is the best option. NOT the perfect option, just the best of the three: Dems, Rep’s, or not voting at all.

 

[JimG]

I’m not a Republican party member. I don’t vote solely by party affiliation. But I cannot vote for any candidate who supports abortion, which takes the lives of the most defenseless among us. Especially I cannot vote for Biden / Harris which is the most ardently pro-abortion ticket in the history of the U.S.

 

[hope]

Would you show me the Doctrinal statement that says this? That trying to prevent future taking of lives is more important than caring for our neighbor?

Aren’t the pre-born also our neighbor? I don’t see a conflict? It seems to be one and the same.

 

[Elf01]

Women have abortions because they are afraid of something. If we work to make our little corner of the world a place were people are not afraid of poverty or homelessness or lack of health care or abandonment, abortions in that corner will decrease dramatically.

How many would kill a born child if they lost their job, became homeless or ill?

I support having supports for pregnant women, but I don’t think the reasons they give are the rwal reason for murdering their baby.

 

[Ender]

I am against every abortion. I do NOT favor laws with big loopholes as the Republican politicians have embraces for decades. We gave incrementalism half a century. It does not work.

I have never quite understood why it is the Republicans who are blamed for their inability to overcome the policies of the Democrats, and not favoring laws with “loopholes” is to ignore reality: there is no possibility of passing any law forbidding all abortions. As for the failure of “incrementalism”, I would argue that it has not failed. It is certainly true that there are still millions of people who strongly believe in abortion, but given the relentless support by the media and liberal politicians (not to mention schools and entertainment), the wonder is that any progress at all has been made, and clearly support for abortion is waning, not growing.

Time to focus on the strategy of building communities where no one is afraid to have a child. Where moms who decide to place their children for adoption are heroes. Where every teen knows the location and purpose of Safe Haven in their community.

These approaches are not mutually exclusive; this surely does not suggest that there should be any cessation in political opposition to abortion, and a really good way to change the hearts and minds of the electorate is to exchange politicians who support abortion for those who do not.