Walmart walkout: workers mount black Friday job action

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In all seriousness it is next to impossible in this day and age to buy American made goods. And its something we need to think about if the US is ever going to rebuild this economy. We shouldn’t be buying goods made in sweatshops. We have the ability in this country to pay people well AND produce quality goods.
At least we used to…
We don’t have that ability anymore. The world has changed. This is globalism you’re looking at.

It’s no longer possible to artificially control markets to keep prices up. It’s no longer possible to guarantee that people can work 8 hours and not have to compete with the rest of the world. It’s no longer possible for people to get the minimum in education and handle the equipment that we have nowadays. All that is part of the past. We must compete.
 
Are you dissing Asians on their own turf? Shame, shame, shame.

They have more sense than to waste time on all this union stuff. They’re busy actually making a living.
Again…weak on the facts. Labor action in places like China is becoming more common…it is only a matter of time before these actions become organized unions. Jobs in my area are returning because the reasons for moving to China, etal., are slipping away.

Workers only take being walked on just so long, regardless of the country or the culture.
 
We don’t have that ability anymore. The world has changed. This is globalism you’re looking at.
And globalism is just another word for communism. Where EVERYONE is poor, except for the elite.
Just like old Soviet Union.
 
Are you dissing Asians on their own turf? Shame, shame, shame.

They have more sense than to waste time on all this union stuff. They’re busy actually making a living.
In China they are jumping off of the roofs of factory buildings where computer parts are made at such a frequency that the companies have put up barriers to stop them from committing suicide.
 
Oh, I SO agree with you.

There are many problems with Big Box store- another one being the homogenization of our once diverse nation.
Maybe we just don’t value diversity. That is not a bad thing, that is morally neutral, neither good nor bad.
Once places had a lot of local color- mom and pop stores, but now in much of the US it’s all the same. You could be in Anchorage or in Mobile, Dallas or suburban Newark.
There’s a traffic light, a McDonalds, a CVS, and down the street a bit the HUGE Walmart.
And of course people value convenience or lower prices over the mom and pops. That is their choice. Tom whom would you give the right to make our choices for us?
 
Again…weak on the facts. Labor action in places like China is becoming more common…it is only a matter of time before these actions become organized unions. Jobs in my area are returning because the reasons for moving to China, etal., are slipping away.

Workers only take being walked on just so long, regardless of the country or the culture.
And when/if that happens, capital and production will simply move someplace else, John. This is unstoppable. You can’t make people put their money into losing enterprises.
 
In all seriousness it is next to impossible in this day and age to buy American made goods. And its something we need to think about if the US is ever going to rebuild this economy. We shouldn’t be buying goods made in sweatshops. We have the ability in this country to pay people well AND produce quality goods.
At least we used to…
We used to-back when the CEO only needed to make 100 or 200 times what the line worker made. When the CEO started to “need” 300 and 400 times what the line worker made, then jobs had to move overseas to get cheaper labor to maximize those profits.
 
And globalism is just another word for communism. Where EVERYONE is poor, except for the elite.
Just like old Soviet Union.
No, it’s actually the opposite of communist totalitarianism which is what the Soviet Union had. There no one was willing to work simply because there was no point in it. If everyone gets paid anyway, why bother? Good question.

During the height of communism in the Soviet Union the only way to get anything was to go to the Black Market. The Black Market was technically illegal, but everyone engaged in it or starved. Some people made a lot of money.
 
And when/if that happens, capital and production will simply move someplace else, John. This is unstoppable. You can’t make people put their money into losing enterprises.
The fact is that the the corporations are running out of options. Many are finding that it is better to return to the US and pay a competitive wage, since workers overseas are now rising up to demand better pay and working conditions.

Pay me now, or pay me later.

John
 
We used to-back when the CEO only needed to make 100 or 200 times what the line worker made. When the CEO started to “need” 300 and 400 times what the line worker made, then jobs had to move overseas to get cheaper labor to maximize those profits.
Agree totally. 👍
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Maybe we just don’t value diversity. That is not a bad thing, that is morally neutral, neither good nor bad.
This is an important point. Yes, some cultures like homogeneity, and the American culture is very, very big on it.
And of course people value convenience or lower prices over the mom and pops. That is their choice. Tom whom would you give the right to make our choices for us?
Sure, people are going to purchase what they can afford, where they want to purchase it. You can’t stop that.
 
We used to-back when the CEO only needed to make 100 or 200 times what the line worker made. When the CEO started to “need” 300 and 400 times what the line worker made, then jobs had to move overseas to get cheaper labor to maximize those profits.
This is one of the key questions that anti-union people do not like to deal with. Why should a CEO’s pay be rising exponentially, while worker wages and benefits are stagnant or falling?

It is an unfortunate fact that most people will not behave fairly unless they are legally compelled to do so…contracts.

John
 
This is one of the key questions that anti-union people do not like to deal with. Why should a CEO’s pay be rising exponentially, while worker wages and benefits are stagnant or falling?

It is an unfortunate fact that most people will not behave fairly unless they are legally compelled to do so…contracts.

John
Unions don’t stop that, John. Unions create a whole additional layer of fat cats and paid-off politicians. And the person trying to make the widget ends up getting stuck with the bill anyway, in high dues and falling profits, just like Hostess company had.

The fact is that markets change with time, and you have to retain flexibility to compete otherwise Hostess’s fate is what you get. Their market share was dropping dramatically–there are dessert cakes that don’t cost $1.19/serving you know.
 
This is an important point. Yes, some cultures like homogeneity, and the American culture is very, very big on it.

Sure, people are going to purchase what they can afford, where they want to purchase it. You can’t stop that.
Walmart and others could easily afford to pay better wages and still be the cheapest store in town.
 
This is an important point. Yes, some cultures like homogeneity, and the American culture is very, very big on it.

Sure, people are going to purchase what they can afford, where they want to purchase it. You can’t stop that.
You can’t force it, but you can help people make educated choices. Getting the word out about inhumane treatment of workers overseas and family unfriendly practices here at home might make a few people think twice about what they’re buying and where they are buying it. Bad publicity for companies might force them into making more just policies.
 
You can’t force it, but you can help people make educated choices. Getting the word out about inhumane treatment of workers overseas and family unfriendly practices here at home might make a few people think twice about what they’re buying and where they are buying it. Bad publicity for companies might force them into making more just policies.
Do you seriously think that’s going to keep people from buying their junk at Walmart, or Target, or whatever store happens to be cheapest at the time? Dream on.
 
This is one of the key questions that anti-union people do not like to deal with. Why should a CEO’s pay be rising exponentially, while worker wages and benefits are stagnant or falling?

It is an unfortunate fact that most people will not behave fairly unless they are legally compelled to do so…contracts.

John
Unfortunately, that’s been the history of business in America.

If you want to end the influence of unions, eliminate the need for them. Pay workers a living wage and treat them fairly. Then when the union comes to town, the employees don’t need to buy what they’re selling.
 
Unions don’t stop that, John. Unions create a whole additional layer of fat cats and paid-off politicians. And the person trying to make the widget ends up getting stuck with the bill anyway, in high dues and falling profits, just like Hostess company had.
The Hostess Company fell because of bad management, and will likely reemerge with a trimmed down management structure. There is still a demand for their products…someone will seize on that. Maybe the workers themselves after all the bad debt is flushed away.

Unions certainly do provide a better standard of living for their members. Is there corruption, of course, but I’d like to see any level of business where someone is not crossing someone’s palm for gain.
 
Walmart and others could easily afford to pay better wages and still be the cheapest store in town.
And you and I would pay higher prices. And then people would see the price difference and start to shop someplace else.

Look, John. Interest rates on investments are already near 0%. People who invest are not going to give away their money any more than you’re going to go out and throw $20 bills on the street. You can’t expect them to.

And it’s not just a personal choice either. When the rules of the market are disrupted, everyone loses their shirts. This is how it works. You may not like it but that’s how it is.

Even in the Soviet Union, socialism didn’t work. People starved. People spent all their money on booze to put themselves out of pain in the cold. On a regular basis, society wide. There was a Black Market, the only thing moving in the USSR. And it charged days worth of government benefits for rotten cabbages which people were willing to buy because production was ZERO. People refused to work because if you’re paid anyway, WHY BOTHER? Socialism doesn’t work.
 
Unfortunately, that’s been the history of business in America.

If you want to end the influence of unions, eliminate the need for them. Pay workers a living wage and treat them fairly. Then when the union comes to town, the employees don’t need to buy what they’re selling.
Precisely…Coors is a good example. The unions have never been able to get a foothold because they really aren’t needed. Wages, benefits and working conditions are top-notch.

Walmart, etc., on the other hand…not so good.

John
 
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