so what is the sin called for those who criticize the “greedy” poor?Don’t forget envy - there is a lot of that among those who criticize the “evil” rich.
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I didn’t say it was a Catholic virtue; neither is it a vice, particularly in the face of overwhelming evidence. The Walton family is worth tens of billions of dollars, meanwhile, WalMart pays most of its worker very low wages. BTW, you seem to have no problem being suspicious that certain people participating in this thread are guilty of envy.So, being suspicious of others is a Catholic virtue? Interesting.
So?At last report, the Walton family is worth $93 billion. No further comment.
Indeed. “…in the face of overwhelming evidence.”I didn’t say it was a Catholic virtue; neither is it a vice, particularly in the face of overwhelming evidence. The Walton family is worth tens of billions of dollars, meanwhile, WalMart pays most of its worker very low wages. BTW, you seem to have no problem being suspicious that certain people participating in this thread are guilty of envy.
No further comment needed. Who else’s worth concerns you?At last report, the Walton family is worth $93 billion. No further comment.
Considering some of those poor will be shopping at Walmart on Friday, you have also criticized them as “greedy.”so what is the sin called for those who criticize the “greedy” poor?
Make as much money as you can, I applaud you. But make it without treating other people in a way you would not wish to be treated. It’s a simple as that.
I support this action 100%.I hope this gains momentum and gives Wal-Mart a big hit to their profits this season.
foxnews.com/us/2012/11/16/walmart-walkout-workers-mount-black-friday-job-action/
Pointing out gross disparities in the wealth of the owners and executives of a company and that of the companies poorly compensated workers is not overwhelming evidence of envy. On the other hand, Holy Scripture states that that “you cannot serve both God and mammon.” I find it impossible to believe that the Walton family has accumulated their vast amount of wealth (literally tens of billions of dollars) while treating their employees so poorly without being greedy and serving mammon, rather than God.Indeed. “…in the face of overwhelming evidence.”
I agree there may be issues with pay at some companies, but deciding it is “impossible” for the owners not to be greedy and serving mammon sounds like envy to me. You don’t know them or their hearts. Greed is not based on the amount of money accumulated. As Seeker1961 pointed out, the poor who are buying goods at Walmart tonight and tomorrow may also be exhibiting greed.Pointing out gross disparities in the wealth of the owners and executives of a company and that of the companies poorly compensated workers is not overwhelming evidence of envy. On the other hand, Holy Scripture states that that “you cannot serve both God and mammon.” I find it impossible to believe that the Walton family has accumulated their vast amount of wealth (literally tens of billions of dollars) while treating their employees so poorly without being greedy and serving mammon, rather than God.
I have not decided that it is impossible for owners in general not to be greedy. However, my belief about the particular instance of WalMart is based on their well-known practices of how they treat their employees, as well as my own experience as a former employee. No, I do not know their hearts, but I can observe their actions, and many of their actions appear to me to be motivated above all else by the love of money, otherwise known as greed. For me, any claim that they are not motivated by greed strains credulity. If WalMart treated its employees well and paid them a reasonable wage, I would attribute their wealth to good business practices, but since I do not believe they treat their employees well or compensate them appropriately, I attribute their accumulation of a massive amount of wealth to greed.I agree there may be issues with pay at some companies, but deciding it is “impossible” for the owners not to be greedy and serving mammon sounds like envy to me. You don’t know them or their hearts. Greed is not based on the amount of money accumulated. As Seeker1961 pointed out, the poor who are buying goods at Walmart tonight and tomorrow may also be exhibiting greed.
What I would recommend for you and others is to meet at a much more responsible and respected employer who treats their employees well, Starbucks, and discuss this over a Latte. They are open today…and Christmas.
Indeed. You’ve made your judgement clear, and it sounds like a personal vendetta. It’s a free country…kind of.I have not decided that it is impossible for owners in general not to be greedy. However, my belief about the particular instance of WalMart is based on their well-known practices of how they treat their employees, as well as my own experience as a former employee. No, I do not know their hearts, but I can observe their actions, and many of their actions appear to me to be motivated above all else by the love of money, otherwise known as greed. For me, any claim that they are not motivated by greed strains credulity.
I have opinions based on their well-known questionable practices and my own experiences as a former. I hold no personal vendetta, which would suggest an obsession, coupled with a desire for revenge. I have no desire to seek any sort of revenge against WalMart, and outside of rare conversations such as this, and the occasional trip to shop there, I hardly think about WalMart. It doesn’t really make sense that someone with a vendetta against either the Walton family of WalMart would sometimes shop there.Indeed. You’ve made your judgement clear, and it sounds like a personal vendetta. It’s a free country…kind of.
Okay.I have opinions based on their well-known questionable practices and my own experiences as a former. I hold no personal vendetta, which would suggest an obsession, coupled with a desire for revenge. I have no desire to seek any sort of revenge against WalMart, and outside of rare conversations such as this, and the occasional trip to shop there, I hardly think about WalMart. It doesn’t really make sense that someone with a vendetta against either the Walton family of WalMart would sometimes shop there.
You have no problem concluding that I am guilty of the sin of envy and harboring a personal vendetta against WalMart based on the exchange of a few posts in a thread over the anonymous internet, but you have a problem with me concluding that WalMart is driven by greed based on their well-known questionable business practices, as well as my very real personal experiences as an employee. Seems like a real double standard to me.Indeed. You’ve made your judgement clear, and it sounds like a personal vendetta. It’s a free country…kind of.
Again, okay.You have no problem concluding that I am guilty of the sin of envy and harboring a personal vendetta against WalMart based on the exchange of a few posts in a thread over the anonymous internet, but you have a problem with me concluding that WalMart is driven by greed based on their well-known questionable business practices, as well as my very real personal experiences as an employee. Seems like a real double standard to me.
The reality is that WalMart doesn’t work out either operating hours or pay with its workers. It dictates both. There is no negotiation involved, at least not for the employees who are paid hourly wages. You get no voice in the operating hours, and you get no voice in your wage. All of that is determined by WalMart. The only choice the employee has is in either accepting or refusing the job. Of course, this is generally the plight of the schmuck scooping popcorn at the movie theater and the concessions employees at athletic events as well, and it’s problematic in those cases as well.WalMart operating hours and pay is a mater for their workers and management to work out. I don’t know what their workers are worth or should be paid or what the company must do to maintain a competitive edge. That is their prudential judgment.
Judge not, lest ye be judged.Pointing out gross disparities in the wealth of the owners and executives of a company and that of the companies poorly compensated workers is not overwhelming evidence of envy. On the other hand, Holy Scripture states that that “you cannot serve both God and mammon.” I find it impossible to believe that the Walton family has accumulated their vast amount of wealth (literally tens of billions of dollars) while treating their employees so poorly without being greedy and serving mammon, rather than God.
I dictate wages and operating hours with my employees. It worked out fine for both of us until Obama forced me to drop their Heath insuranceThe reality is that WalMart doesn’t work out either operating hours or pay with its workers. It dictates both. There is no negotiation involved, at least not for the employees who are paid hourly wages. You get no voice in the operating hours, and you get no voice in your wage. All of that is determined by WalMart. The only choice the employee has is in either accepting or refusing the job. Of course, this is generally the plight of the schmuck scooping popcorn at the movie theater and the concessions employees at athletic events as well, and it’s problematic in those cases as well.
I agree with you that this is a prudential judgment for the company to make, but to say that a particular issue is the company’s pruduential choice to make does not excuse the company from acting morally, nor does it preclude the possibility that they do sometimes choose incorrectly.